What would an Islanic New World look like?

As the title says. Mostly around my TL in my sig. The Ottomans-Granadans control roughly the same area as Spain controlled, while the Portuguese have Brasil, Florida and the Dutch in the 13 colonies. French in otl place, and the English scrambling to find a foothold as well. Read the TL to find out more

What would the culture, outlook, cuisine, sect, etc. Of a place like that be?
 
Well one thing that comes to mind is a syncretic form of Islam that develops in the Americas, akin to the Roman Catholicism that develops in Mexico.

In your timeline you mentioned that Huascar wins the Incan War of Succession and and converts to Islam...is there a possability that an Incan state will continue to survive now that it has some old world backers?
 
I do have a plan of making the Inca survive as a vassal of the Granadan-Ottomans.


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The main form of religion and conversion will be through Dervish orders and lodges.
 
Another thing that comes to mind is just society in general in al Jaddidyah. As far as I know, one thing that was a major part of New Spain in OTL was the caste system, by which Peninsulares were at the top, then you had Criollos right beneath them, then you had Africans and Native Americans at the bottom.

Now if I remember anything that I learned from world history, Islam did not discriminate on people of different castes, which was why it was very popular. I wonder, would this lead to a better degree of equality between the Ottomans/Granadians and the natives in al Jaddidyah as opposed to what was the case in OTL New Spain...?

On that same token, what are the natives called by the Ottomans/Granadians ( I'm not sure if you already covered this in the TL and I am too lazy to skim through... :p )
 
Another thing that comes to mind is just society in general in al Jaddidyah. As far as I know, one thing that was a major part of New Spain in OTL was the caste system, by which Peninsulares were at the top, then you had Criollos right beneath them, then you had Africans and Native Americans at the bottom.

Now if I remember anything that I learned from world history, Islam did not discriminate on people of different castes, which was why it was very popular. I wonder, would this lead to a better degree of equality between the Ottomans/Granadians and the natives in al Jaddidyah as opposed to what was the case in OTL New Spain...?

On that same token, what are the natives called by the Ottomans/Granadians ( I'm not sure if you already covered this in the TL and I am too lazy to skim through... :p )

Im going to get to that. It will basically be Arabized versions of the tribe

Cherokee: Jirgah
Seminole: Saminola
Aztec: Adhtak

So on and so forth. But there will be a hierarchy that will influence later on politics when the colonies gain independence. Its Turks, Arabs/Moors/Granadans, Converted Natives, Christians/Jews, Heathen natives.
 
Oo, oo, oo

Carib - Qoriba ?

I'm thinking that some of them might revolt, since the Ottoman Empire is starting to get dishearteningly huge, and from what I've learned from Muslim history every time a Muslim Nation gets that huge, the remote parts would start to revolt and gain independence, would it repeat in this TL?
 
Im going to get to that. It will basically be Arabized versions of the tribe

Cherokee: Jirgah
Seminole: Saminola
Aztec: Adhtak

So on and so forth. But there will be a hierarchy that will influence later on politics when the colonies gain independence. Its Turks, Arabs/Moors/Granadans, Converted Natives, Christians/Jews, Heathen natives.

Good idea on the Arabized names, but you'll really need to look into NA names and history if you want to avoid blatant anachronisms.

Frex, in your examples:

The origins of the word Cherokee are disputed, but likely a corruption of some word their enemies called them. Cherokee called themselves Ani Yvwiyai (roughly "People Principle" or "the main [real] people"). I'd advise either a unique Arab name, or something like "Al Yiwai" as a rough Arabization of their own name.

Also, there will be no "Seminole" ITTL. The OTL Seminole are Muscogee (Creek) refugees from the late 18th/early 19th century Creek Wars. The natives in southern *Florida as of Columbus OTL were Cayusa...a group more like the Carib and Arawak of the islands. They were wiped out by disease and slavery OTL.

"Aztec" is a modern name based on a corruption of the Mexica people's legendary ancient homeland of Aztlan (possibly New Mexico). Al Mesqa?

Just some friendly advice to avoid some embarrassing errors in your TL. :)
 
What about the languages, would Arabic be imposed on the New World colonies (or other languages from the the Old World, like Turkish, ect.). What main groups of people will be traveling to al Jaddidyah, you mentioned that the Islam that will develop in the New World will be Dervish orders...is that like Sufism?

The thought of a Turkish diaspora extending across the globe is interesting...do you intend to have a Turkish/Arabic America replace OTL Spanish America...with the vassalization of the Inca it certainly seems to be heading that way...
 
Arabic will by necessity be spread as it's the language of the Quran, but it won't necessarily be "imposed" as lingua franca. You'll likely see Turkish, Arabic, etc. in major cities along with various creole and pidgin tongues. Educated/rich/powerful and the Imams will speak fluent Arabic, but the common creole workers may only know a basic Quranic Arabic and a few important phrases.
 
Several groups will move to Jadidyah. With no Safavid Iran, the Shia will emigrate much like the Huegonots, and other minorities. Tatars will also make it there after Russia crushes them.

As for languages Al- Messtli will be prominently Arabic while Reisah will be mostly Turkish. The rest will be mostly a mix, with pidgins and Creoles.
 
OTL South America doesn't have that many pidgins or creoles-its usually just either Spanish (or Portuguese in Brazil) or minority Amerindian languages.

The Caribbean, on the other hand, has a lot of Creoles due to its different population history (ie, the vast majority of the population is descended from slaves who only learned English, French, etc. imperfectly due to a lack of formal education or extensive contact with native speakers), so it really depends.

How the colonies are run is also a question-do the Ottomans/Granadans import the theory of mercantilism (or develop some kind of equivalent on their own)? If so, the colonies will be set up to supply raw materials and agricultural products to the Granadan/Ottoman economy.

As for other misc. cultural things, most OTL Mexican food comes from native Aztec culture, so ATL Mexican food will probably be quite similar. Also, a good deal of Mexico is semiarid, so the architectural styles of Granada and North Africa probably get imported wholesale. Also, most of the native population will Islamize eventually, though who converts them will be important (some Sufi orders liked to do missionary work, so if they're the primary converters you could end up with a population that's majority Sufi, like Chechnya in the 19th century)
 
With an Ottoman-Granadan alliance making forays into the Atlantic, commercial relations with the Muslim Mandinkas of Mali could be helpful. As well as providing slaves captured from smaller non-Muslim tribes in the interior, military auxilliaries could be recruited from among the Mandinkas, and offered in land in al-Jaddidyah in return for military service. It could be helpful for the domestic culture of the Empire of Mali as well.
 
With an Ottoman-Granadan alliance making forays into the Atlantic, commercial relations with the Muslim Mandinkas of Mali could be helpful. As well as providing slaves captured from smaller non-Muslim tribes in the interior, military auxilliaries could be recruited from among the Mandinkas, and offered in land in al-Jaddidyah in return for military service. It could be helpful for the domestic culture of the Empire of Mali as well.

That seems an interesting idea. This way, they can form a minority of blacks inside the nation.
 
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