What Would an Islamic Indian Subcontinent Look Like?

[Lusitania]

perhaps India could have an Anti Conversion Bill as proposed by some Hindutva groups in OTL
basically its illegal to Convert to any religion from the religion you are born from ie - Muslims cannot convert to Christianity or vice versa

Then this India would be worse than ittl India unless you are for an totalitarian islmamic state. One that I personally think would be as bad as Iran.

 

[Srihari14]

Then this India would be worse than ittl India unless you are for an totalitarian islmamic state. One that I personally think would be as bad as Iran.

Well it would be Bad, for human rights, but will it be stronger geopolitically, India might be stronger

 

[Lusitania]

Well it would be Bad, for human rights, but will it be stronger geopolitically ?

No it would be be an oversized Iran trying to preach to the world and acting out against any who it feels is not following their interpretation of Islam.

 

[Srihari14]

No it would be be an oversized Iran trying to preach to the world and acting out against any who it feels is not following their interpretation of Islam.

Not necessary, it can be secular like Turkey or Indonesia, Plus, India would be much more powerful than just an oversized Iran

 

[Lusitania]

Not necessary, it can be secular like Turkey or Indonesia, Plus, India would be much more powerful than just an oversized Iran

But you stated one where it would be illegal to change ones religion. By that interpretation it could be illegal not to follow sharia law and so forth. I look at what turkey is changing into not what it was. Either you have a Islamic state like turkey was or you have a Islamic state like Middle East or Pakistan. With Iran being the worse

 

[Srihari14]

But you stated one where it would be illegal to change ones religion. By that interpretation it could be illegal not to follow sharia law and so forth. I look at what turkey is changing into not what it was. Either you have a Islamic state like turkey was or you have a Islamic state like Middle East or Pakistan. With Iran being the worse

I think something like Pakistan would be likely, however, it would be not as unstable as Pakistan

 

[Lusitania]

I think something like Pakistan would be likely, however, it would be not as unstable as Pakistan

Yes you keep mentioning like Pakistan but I am not convinced that it would be one country.

First I am not sure that BRitish would of been able to of established control over it in the same manner. I wonder if a British North and say Portuguese / Dutch and French south would not of transpired.

We actually have to admire that India and even Indonesia came out of colonial rule pretty much united. One different person or decision could of changed everything. Indonesia had the trapping to splinter into 5-6 countries.

BritishIndia coming out as 4 countries (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Burma) was remarkable already. An Islamic Indian subcontinent would not of been anymore united at time of European arrival that ittl. So a BRitish or European conquest would of been different even only limited to coastal regions.

So I really having hard time seeing it a United Subcontinent in the 20th century and beyond onless done through force.

 

[Srihari14]

Yes you keep mentioning like Pakistan but I am not convinced that it would be one country.

First I am not sure that BRitish would of been able to of established control over it in the same manner. I wonder if a British North and say Portuguese / Dutch and French south would not of transpired.

We actually have to admire that India and even Indonesia came out of colonial rule pretty much united. One different person or decision could of changed everything. Indonesia had the trapping to splinter into 5-6 countries.

BritishIndia coming out as 4 countries (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Burma) was remarkable already. An Islamic Indian subcontinent would not of been anymore united at time of European arrival that ittl. So a BRitish or European conquest would of been different even only limited to coastal regions.

So I really having hard time seeing it a United Subcontinent in the 20th century and beyond onless done through force.

If UK or any other had colonized India, then a untied Indian independence movement will emerge like OTL

 

[Lusitania]

If UK or any other had colonized India, then a untied Indian independence movement will emerge like OTL

Yes Europeans will arrive and they will attempt to colonize the sub continent. Independent movements will arise in the 20th century.

Those facts are not in doubt for an Islamic India would not prevent or alter that. What an Islamic India would alter is how much of Índia is colonized And conquered by Europeans. I could see an Islamic Indian subcontinent being more able to resist Europeans. We could even see European control follow Middle East / North Africa approach where British and French established protectorates instead of actually colonies. These protectorates were ruled individually instead as one colony and people retained link to the traditional rulers

At time of independence each protectorate became separate country. This is how I see the subcontinent not as a single country. So if we want to imagine an Islamic Indian subcontinent then let’s discuss the following

• how it became Islamic,
• how minority religions treated
• Who and to what extent Europeans conquered / colonized / subjuncted the various Indian countries
• What if any part of Indian subcontinent resisted Europeans (could see last parts such as interior) only conquered at end of 19th century.
• How independence movement arise and if they are based on certain nationalities

Now we can imagine an Islamic Indian subcontinent.

Please throw away all preconceived notions that we end up with the same situation as ittl only difference is religion. (Which would not even be homogeneous).

 

[Srihari14]

Yes Europeans will arrive and they will attempt to colonize the sub continent. Independent movements will arise in the 20th century.

Those facts are not in doubt for an Islamic India would not prevent or alter that. What an Islamic India would alter is how much of Índia is colonized And conquered by Europeans. I could see an Islamic Indian subcontinent being more able to resist Europeans. We could even see European control follow Middle East / North Africa approach where British and French established protectorates instead of actually colonies. These protectorates were ruled individually instead as one colony and people retained link to the traditional rulers

At time of independence each protectorate became separate country. This is how I see the subcontinent not as a single country. So if we want to imagine an Islamic Indian subcontinent then let’s discuss the following

• how it became Islamic,
• how minority religions treated
• Who and to what extent Europeans conquered / colonized / subjuncted the various Indian countries
• What if any part of Indian subcontinent resisted Europeans (could see last parts such as interior) only conquered at end of 19th century.
• How independence movement arise and if they are based on certain nationalities

Now we can imagine an Islamic Indian subcontinent.

Please throw away all preconceived notions that we end up with the same situation as ittl only difference is religion. (Which would not even be homogeneous).

You are right in all aspects, we can only speculate

 

[Lusitania]

You are right in all aspects, we can only speculate

Speculating is what we do best. What I wanted to stop people from doing was try to imagine an Indian sub continent just like we have iOTL but with a Islam as dominant religion. For as I indicated above the 20th century Indian sub continent would be different place that we have not even begun speculating about. It was a great question but one that requires further discussion

 

[Srihari14]

Speculating is what we do best. What I wanted to stop people from doing was try to imagine an Indian sub continent just like we have iOTL but with a Islam as dominant religion. For as I indicated above the 20th century Indian sub continent would be different place that we have not even begun speculating about. It was a great question but one that requires further discussion

Yes, but it would certainly be interesting to know about an Islamic Indian subcontinent in modern context

 

[Lusitania]

Yes, but it would certainly be interesting to know about an Islamic Indian subcontinent in modern context

I was hopping that one or two people could of put forth a scenario using my points above about how it happen, how it dealt with other religions and how Islam is different than in other areas. Then together we can discuss European arrival, and so forth.

 

[Srihari14]

I was hopping that one or two people could of put forth a scenario using my points above about how it happen, how it dealt with other religions and how Islam is different than in other areas. Then together we can discuss European arrival, and so forth.

True, however interest in India related tl is limited

 

[Lusitania]

True, however interest in India related tl is limited

Yes. I am currently writing together with my co-writer about India but dealing with 1750 forward. Plus from perspective of the Portuguese. So while I can co tribute and make suggestions there would need to be others who have knowledge of pre-European India who would need to take lead.

 

[Srihari14]

Yes. I am currently writing together with my co-writer about India but dealing with 1750 forward. Plus from perspective of the Portuguese. So while I can co tribute and make suggestions there would need to be others who have knowledge of pre-European India who would need to take lead.

I can help, though my knowledge is not case , it is respectable

 

[Lusitania]

I can help, though my knowledge is not case , it is respectable

any other contributors?

 

[Srihari14]

any other contributors?

Don't know about anyone else

 

[Srihari14]

So by the polls, all of us are in a agreement, that Islamic India would be worse for the region