Oh, and I will add, those death traps which the Americans (whose technological prowess and judgement you have extolled numerous times here) trusted enough to operate for years afterwards, put the president on board, dive to a depth of 440 feet, and then also demonstrate the snorkel to said president? Those death traps?
You're going back on what you've said. You've stated many times how great the Americans were in all regards, but you draw the line at agreeing with their judgements when it does not align with your narrative of German clown tech. You're clearly cherry-picking evidence, and discarding anything that does not agree with your narrative, no matter how absurd your line of reasoning becomes as a result. I don't know whether I should take your arguments seriously anymore.
Have you seriously READ ANYTHING I wrote about the Americans and their own WWII performance?
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What they could have done is to make less synfuel, sell the coal instead and import the oil from the US with the money they got from selling coal. Oil was very cheap at the time.
It just feels wrong to use Spanish gold as an explanation without any English Pirates being involved.
Here. You say that the Americans did the Elektroboot idea properly with their GUPPY submarines. Those same Americans whose submarine design abilities you praised, judged the Type XXI to be safe enough to give President Truman a tour, and to dive to 440 feet below the surface with him on board. The XXI was hardly a death trap; it was used by the victors' navies for well over a decade afterwards. Notably, not a single one sank on a voyage due to an accident in that period.
Actualy, thats a very good idea, especially if they can get the price of coal up a bit ...
So we have two examples of how not to design a submarine.
The U-2513 was overhauled by the USN at Charleston Navy Yard and was manned by an USN crew who knew what the boat was and what they were doing. As I understand it, GUPPY was a hard sell at the time and the submariners were fighting the flattop admirals for their share of the military budget. The American submarine admiralty wanted to show their president what they expected the Russians to deploy against the USN. The U-2513 type was probably going to be the tech model baseline for the Russian postwar boats (Whiskey and Zulu classes.). That dive and short trip was to demonstrate the snort in operation. Many people involved with the risky exercise knew it was an utter garbage boat, but the sale for GUPPY into a fleet boat rebuild program had to be made with an example of an existent snort boat of which the USN had but 2. The other hunk of junk was the U-3008. It was not quite ready, so U-2513 was nominated and Truman got to experience what a slam event was. That was November 1946. The CNO (Nimitz) approved the GUPPY test program in June of 1946 for 2 US boats (USS Odax and USS Pomodon), but Truman had to be sold with an actual eyes on demo to release further monies. Truman was from Missouri and he did not scare easy.
Still beat by the whole "Prepare to give a three hour long public speech. Get shot in the chest from close range. Proceed to make a small joke about the shooting and then go on to give the entire three hour long speech verbatim with blood pouring out of his chest before agreeing to go to the hospital".
It seems you disagree.
Ahm, go visit one and we'll compare notes. Remember I mentioned how the battery was maintained?
If it was as bad as you claim, it would not have been operated for decades after the war. Clearly, the various navies of the USSR, USA, West Germany, and France disagree with your assessment. With regards to the Type XXI, I'll take the word of several professional navies over that of a single purported historian, every time.
U-2513 was USN scrapped in 1951. U-3008 was USN auctioned and scrapped in 1955. US GUPPY conversions are still serving.
The French navy continued to use a Type XXI until 1967. Clearly, they disagree with your assessment. Your only qualification on this subject is having taken a tour of a Type XXI. The credentials of the navies who actually operated the things clearly are more qualified to judge the subs than you.
