What were Axis plans in Central/South Asia?

So we've examined Germany's Lebensraum designs in Eastern Europe to Russia, we've looked at Japan's plans for a Co-Prosperity Sphere, and we know all about Italy's dreams of recreating the Roman Empire.

What were their plans towards Central Asia, from Persia to Tibet?

I ask this because I skimmed through this and would like to know if it's real or if it's complete bollocks.

Info about Axis plans towards the Middle East would be interesting, as well.
 
middle-east: hitler liked the arab nationalism, and meeted with many of their leaders. he would like to see a fascist all-arab great state. i think they (the axis) wanted central asia to be sliced between italy and japan. the germans didn't care about far-away locations. hitler said: "an empire is not setteling in africa. an empire must be here. in europe" (the rise and fall of the 3rd reich, recalled from my memory).
 

ninebucks

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None?

Despite what the popular imagination may say, the Axis did not seriously have any plans for global domination.
 
Well I know that, but I'm just wondering if the Nazi government ever promised people like the Kalmyks or the Turkestani their own nations out of Soviet territory.
 
None?

Despite what the popular imagination may say, the Axis did not seriously have any plans for global domination.


Yeah, I don't think that the Axis thought that far ahead.

I think this book would disagree:

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/52548/frontmatter/9780521852548_frontmatter.pdf

Scroll down to the last page and you will the German and Japanese proposals for dividing Central Asia between themselves.

At some point the Nazis decided that the A-A line wouldn't be the ultimate limit and had planned for more Reichskommissariats than just Ostland, Ukraine and Moscow (those three were to be the initial ones). There were even plans for a Reichskommissariat Turkestan in the slightly more distant future.

Japanese plans for their Co-Prosperity Sphere included possible extensions into the Americas with some of the territories to be included following negotiations with Germany.

That book in the link (Visions of Victory) also mentions that Hitler envisioned a series of wars including wars with the USSR, USA and later on with Japan (anyone can freely read that section in Amazon's book preview and the full book probably has more details). Plus from 1928 Hitler had already outlined in his second book to Mein Kampf his vision of a final struggle with the US (occurring in the 1980s).
 
Considering that the Axis included Nazis, I imagine they planned to kill a lot of people, or at least enslave them. The Japanese would be more for the latter. The Italians.... I don't think even they knew what they wanted. Maybe the Bulgarians would have expanded into Central Asia.
 
None?

Despite what the popular imagination may say, the Axis did not seriously have any plans for global domination.
Well, yes and no. Most of the Axis countries didn't. Nazi Germany (or at least Hitler) most certainly did. The political dimensions of Nazist ideology were global, and designed to encompass all of mankind. The short-term goal of European conquest (which is already pretty megalomaniacal by itself) didn't distract from this. Every next step that they would take towards expanding their present sphere of influence was seen only as the jump-off point for the next one. That this would necessarily be an incredibly long and drawn-out process taking many generations figured into their planning.
 
So we've examined Germany's Lebensraum designs in Eastern Europe to Russia, we've looked at Japan's plans for a Co-Prosperity Sphere, and we know all about Italy's dreams of recreating the Roman Empire.

What were their plans towards Central Asia, from Persia to Tibet?

I ask this because I skimmed through this and would like to know if it's real or if it's complete bollocks.

Info about Axis plans towards the Middle East would be interesting, as well.

As Chris mentioned, future expansion of Germany would in the first place advance to the Yenisei river and the China border.

As for the Middle East:

Arab nationalism and insurgency was promoted by the Axis, but that was done moreso to undermine the British than to potentially accord them a large deal of political independence. The Middle East was, in general, allotted to Italy’s sphere of influence as Russia was to Germany's. There were also plans for sending another Einsatzgruppe to the Middle East so that Palestine could be made a purely Arab country that was “free” of Jews.

Turkey was anticipated to become for Germany the south-eastern counterpart of Finland – an allied power protecting its flank against the Soviet Union. To cement this relationship it was to be rewarded with some territory (Mosul, Aleppo, Edirne, some other modifications along the Greek border, and some client states in the Caucasus), and be treated as a full partner of the Axis, not as some quasi-European appendage. This would also even out the balance with Italy in the eastern Mediterranean.

When Fall Blau (Caucasus and Stalingrad operations) initially yielded great success, plans were made for extending it in the near future to the Middle East so that Persia and Iraq could be liberated (Hitler’s words I think) from their Anglo-Soviet occupations. The use of this word suggests that they would become Axis satellite members rather than colonies, although I’m a bit doubtful as far as Iraq is concerned. De-facto Italian control by a plenipotentiary to the King of Iraq seems more likely. Persia, as an “Aryan” power, was held in high regard by the Nazi government, so would probably be allotted the status of fully autonomous ally in the alliance.

South Asia is a bit more unclear. The OKW considered launching a German campaign into the heart of the British Empire in 1940-1942 (before it was assigned to Japan), but I’m somewhat unsure what their subsequent plans were to be in this scenario. I’ve been meaning to get my hands on this particular book:

http://books.google.nl/books?id=nu1...ook_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA

It also still leaves the question on what was going to happen with the Arabian peninsula. Control of Mecca and Medina by any non-Muslim power would have huge political ramifications.
 

Markus

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Hitler´s plan was to destroy and colonize the USSR. Period! If he had gotten his way, there would not even have been a war with France and the UK, much less the USA and certainly not any South American nation.
 
Hitler´s plan was to destroy and colonize the USSR. Period! If he had gotten his way, there would not even have been a war with France and the UK, much less the USA and certainly not any South American nation.
The USA had already been identified as a future enemy by the mid-1920s. And France was anticipated to be destroyed as a European power of any significance before an offensive in the east could even begin - securing your flanks and all.

What South American nation are you referring to, BTW?
 

archaeogeek

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The USA had already been identified as a future enemy by the mid-1920s. And France was anticipated to be destroyed as a European power of any significance before an offensive in the east could even begin - securing your flanks and all.

What South American nation are you referring to, BTW?

Brazil I figure, since it was the only south american to even fight (they sent a corps-sized expeditionary corps in 44 to help fill manpower gaps and did some sub hunting).
 
I found an article on Google Books (forgot the exact book in question) that said that Argentina was actually the first among allies in South America, that its portrayal as a nation that declared war at the last minute on the Axis does not tell the full story, that most of the Argentine people were very pro-US.

That said, in these scenarios, Argentina usually gets sidelined in favor of Brazil, which is portrayed as the main Latin American member of the Allies.
 
Also, did I forgot to mention that Mussolini also accorded himself the pompous title of Protector of Islam? I'm sure he'll have to live up to that name if Saudi Arabia were to fall into his hands...
 
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