The fall of Rome, which can be alternatively tracked in the third century crisis (decline of the western part of the empire), or in the XIII century (decline of its eastern part).
And it is to be noted, this thread could be called eurocentrist.
The east had thinkers too; indian maths, chinese techs, etc...
Only Europe mattered, it seems.![]()
And it is to be noted, this thread could be called eurocentrist.
The east had thinkers too; indian maths, chinese techs, etc...
Only Europe mattered, it seems.![]()
I am not being Eurocentric in the slightest. I am simply asking about European (+ North African and Middle Eastern) technology. If technology were lost to the west than the West would not be able to produce new ideas, so inflow from the East would be weakened and any outflow from the West would also harm the East. In fact my main concern here is wondering what was it that took the West from the respectible Greeks to being largelly a backwater.
Huh, I'd thought there were such constant remarks against the "Myth of the Dark Ages" on here that things weren't so bad.The combination of the implosion of the Carolingians in the West and Kievan Rus in the East. With that Western imperial civilization collapsed and the new bunch kept getting invaded before it could come close to re-asserting itself.
In fact my main concern here is wondering what was it that took the West from the respectible Greeks to being largelly a backwater.
Well I consider the non-Arab lands west of Persia as 'the west'.What counts as "The West"?
Iirc most of the Greek achievements in mathematics, geometry etc took place in Hellenistic kingdoms, ie in the east. Was western Europe doing much in that era?
Iirc most of the Greek achievements in mathematics, geometry etc took place in Hellenistic kingdoms, ie in the east. Was western Europe doing much in that era?
Or the XIXth Century, for the final decline of the East. I happen to think the Ottomans assimilated so much that was Roman that it's not easy to claim that say, the Paleologoi were Romans and Osman's bunch was not. Especially since the Palaeologoi did not establish a complete control of all of the territory that had been Rhomania, where the Ottomans both did and assumed the title of Kaysar in Constantinople.
And to me if we're going to claim that XIII Century Rhomania was Rome, then there's no mean to say *that* has connections to Caesar Augustus but the more powerful, hegemonic Ottomans have none whatsoever.
And it is to be noted, this thread could be called eurocentrist.
The east had thinkers too; indian maths, chinese techs, etc...
Only Europe mattered, it seems.![]()