What was the Nazis long term goal for France?

See, now i'm starting to see how important De Gaulle's efforts for Free France were.
It's a trade off between keeping your colonies or giving up HRE land.

Edit: The HRE stuff is possibly just Hitler day dreaming, it's possible that they'd take AL and leave it at that.
 
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Of course, with anything the Nazis did, twelve different factions made twelve different versions of every plan.

Which translates to no coherent plan at all. We can look at Hitler & Ribbentrops foreign policy remarks or memos before France fell. After that its more like a school yard bully & his toads shouting after he has knocked someone down. What might have happened had Britain followed Hitlers expectations in July 1940 is difficult to say. After 1941 its near impossible.
 
See, now i'm starting to see how important De Gaulle's efforts for Free France were.

Ultimately it didn’t matter as such because the Allies were always going to win but for the prestige of France it’s important that there was an alternative beyond a Nazi puppet.
 
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Not sure what that means? If it's a reference to missing the point then I would ask what the point is of comparing an ancient conflict to one fought in the twentieth century? I've come across Wehraboo patter before but it generally sticks to the relevant time period.
 
Not sure what that means? If it's a reference to missing the point then I would ask what the point is of comparing an ancient conflict to one fought in the twentieth century? I've come across Wehraboo patter before but it generally sticks to the relevant time period.
The point is that you can't claim something like the Second World War's outcome as something inevitable like you did.

Wehraboo patter
Oh not this againx'D
 
The point is that you can't claim something like the Second World War's outcome as something inevitable like you did.

Once Germany decided to invade the USSR and the declared war on America the result was inevitable cause guess what 75% of global war-making capability says fuck you we have more men and money to throw at the problem
 
Once Germany decided to invade the USSR and the declared war on America the result was inevitable cause guess what 75% of global war-making capability says fuck you we have more men and money to throw at the problem
Don't get me wrong I tend to agree, however you can't claim that you know the outcome of something (whether it be WWII or even the Greco-Persian Wars) because history is littered with countless examples of things that shouldn't have happened but did. It's one thing to claim that you believe that it is highly implausible or improbable that Germany could ever win WW2 and it's another to claim to know that it was impossible. Anyways we're going way off course from the thread topic.
 

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According to Wikipedia:

Under the auspices of State Secretary Wilhelm Stuckart the Reich Interior Ministry produced an initial memo for the planned annexation of a strip of eastern France in June 1940, stretching from the mouth of the Somme to Lake Geneva, and on July 10, 1940, Himmler toured the region to inspect its Germanization potential. According to documents produced in December 1940, the annexed territory would consist of nine French departments, and the Germanization action would require the settlement of a million Germans from "peasant families". Himmler decided that South Tyrolean emigrants (see South Tyrol Option Agreement) would be used as settlers, and the towns of the region would receive South Tyrolean place-names such as Bozen, Brixen, Meran, and so on. By 1942 Hitler had, however, decided that the South Tyroleans would be instead used to settle the Crimea, and Himmler regretfully noted "For Burgundy, we will just have to find another [Germanic] ethnic group."
 

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Stuckarts memo sounds like another of the twelve variations of the twelve plans that were never executed.
True. Ultimately though, it's pretty likely that (in an Axis victory scenario which is already unlikely from the beginning, of course) Germany pushes further towards the Seine in some way or another.
 
It seems likely in this case the Nazi orchestrated genocide would also encompass the French along with the Slavs, Jews etc.

From wikipedia:

In late February 1943, Otto Bräutigam of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories claimed he had the opportunity to read a personal report by General Eduard Wagner about a discussion with Heinrich Himmler, in which Himmler had expressed the intention for special forces of the SS to kill about 80% of the populations of France and England after the German victory
 
Ultimately it didn’t matter as such because the Allies were always going to win but for the prestige of France it’s important that there was an alternative beyond a Nazi puppet.

Sure they were alreayd going to win, but fighting all over the world against French who side with the axis makes life a lot more difficult. Operation Torch could have been a lot more difficult for example and imagine Syria and Lebanon siding with the Nazis.
 
Sure they were alreayd going to win, but fighting all over the world against French who side with the axis makes life a lot more difficult. Operation Torch could have been a lot more difficult for example and imagine Syria and Lebanon siding with the Nazis.

or a Battle of the Atlantic with Condors and u-boats based in Morocco
 
It seems likely in this case the Nazi orchestrated genocide would also encompass the French along with the Slavs, Jews etc.

From wikipedia:

In late February 1943, Otto Bräutigam of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories claimed he had the opportunity to read a personal report by General Eduard Wagner about a discussion with Heinrich Himmler, in which Himmler had expressed the intention for special forces of the SS to kill about 80% of the populations of France and England after the German victory
I've read this as well but I think it's likely that Bräutigam was mistaken because the Reich or its officials never made any statements about their intent to exterminate the French and British like they did about the Jews, Roma, Slavs etc.

If the Nazis wanted to exterminate the French/British there would be consistent historical documentation to prove it.
 
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