What to do with the Austrians in an alternate WWI

Kosta

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I've been thinking of an alt-hist with quite a sizeable E Asian empire. Indonesia seems like a perfect place to start. How they ould seize it? By having the Dutch join the Central Powers. I always want the destruction of the British Empire, leaving the UK in ruins with Ireland, Scotland, Whales, Manx, and the Channel Islands forming some sort of "Celtic Federation" and England now a sleepy republic that would succumb to fascism in the '40s, which would mean Bismark's alliance to cut off France from allies would now include Britain.

Of course the British, Dutch, and German Empires working together as the Central Powers would result in the utter destruction of the Entente; who just has the US, France, and Russia as the main powers. I do have a stronger Greece though it would most likely only have slightly more power and sway than the Axis' Italy, though more intelligent.

Now my question to everyone is; what to do with the Austro-Hungarian Empire. If they would become part of the Central Powers in this world, the Entente would surely be crushed. There really is no logical way for them to join the Entente, unless maybe the Russians and Austrians are held together by connections to the former Holy Alliance (which also held Prussia). Neutrality does not seem to fit the Austrians, who want to take over the Balkans. If they do join the Allied Powers, a Central Powered Italy wouldn't be such a bad thing; now my Magna Graecia can take over its colony of Libya, something I'm dying to have done.

Suggestions would great!
 

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leaving the UK in ruins with Ireland, Scotland, Whales, Manx, and the Channel Islands forming some sort of "Celtic Federation" and England
Kinda Asbish, British nationalism was long in effect by WWI in Scotland and Wales
 
I've been thinking of an alt-hist with quite a sizeable E Asian empire. Indonesia seems like a perfect place to start. How they ould seize it? By having the Dutch join the Central Powers.

We were discussing this just earlier. The Germans would probably turn the Dutch down. They had only a small army and their colonies would be gone in two seconds, and now Germany doesn't even have one relatively neign neutral to slip things through the blockade with.

I always want the destruction of the British Empire, leaving the UK in ruins with Ireland, Scotland, Whales, Manx, and the Channel Islands forming some sort of "Celtic Federation" and England now a sleepy republic that would succumb to fascism in the '40s, which would mean Bismark's alliance to cut off France from allies would now include Britain.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Whoops, you just bit my berserk button.

There was no (0) serious seperatist sentiment in any part of Great Britain in 1914. Unless the Germans have actually militarily occupied the island and established Prussianised vassals (which is of course impossible), Scotland and Wales will just rejoin.

Also, Manx isn't the island, it's a language. A dead language.

Also, the Channel Islands' dead language isn't even Celtic. It's Romance.

And why are Ireland and Scotland so eager to unite despite Scotland having suddenly turned seperatist? Here's a thing: my country was, at the time, a country so Protestant even the other Protestants made fun of us. Those guys who blew people up for Union in Norn Iron? They're sons of this soil (it's embarrasing). And the rest of Ireland is, you guessed it, a pretty damn Catholic kind of a country. So, take the situation in Ulster at the time and apply it to the entire "union". Wow, I'm glad we have a body of water between us, so we can just secede and rejoin the United Kingdom.

Sorry, but you're eviscerating my country despite clearly not knowing very much about.

Of course the British, Dutch, and German Empires working together as the Central Powers would result in the utter destruction of the Entente; who just has the US, France, and Russia as the main powers.

You're clearly changing things rather radically, so why not, I dunno, save Alexander II and put him on drugs? Now Russia can be a modern industrialised constitutional monarchy and a serious threat to Germany. You'll recall that Russia, from a supremely bad starting position, beat Germany with help consisting almost entirely of lorries during WW2. Now, lorries are the most vital element of warfare, it is true, but it's WW1. They're just being introduced.

I do have a stronger Greece though it would most likely only have slightly more power and sway than the Axis' Italy, though more intelligent.

So Greece, cradle of western civilisation, has smart leaders and generals, whereas Italy's politicians and generals are all shit?

That's, uh, racist.

And also, Greece does not have more sway than Italy. Italy is just bigger and stronger. And if Magna Graecia has Constantinople and the Aegean coast of Anatolia, you do understand that I'll have to don my fez, shout "Allahu Ackbar!", and disembowel you, right?

Now my question to everyone is; what to do with the Austro-Hungarian Empire. If they would become part of the Central Powers in this world, the Entente would surely be crushed. There really is no logical way for them to join the Entente, unless maybe the Russians and Austrians are held together by connections to the former Holy Alliance (which also held Prussia). Neutrality does not seem to fit the Austrians, who want to take over the Balkans.

Uh, no, they don't. Actually, neutrality would be rather prime circumstance for Austria, given that by 1914 it was pretty fragile, but unfortunately they can't have it. Because the war is kinda started by them.

If they do join the Allied Powers, a Central Powered Italy wouldn't be such a bad thing; now my Magna Graecia can take over its colony of Libya, something I'm dying to have done.

Suggestions would great!

Sorry if I've been rude, but you've hit several of my buttons (random Celtic nationalism, Magna Graecie FTW, Italy suxorz).
 

Kosta

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Sorry if I've been rude, but you've hit several of my buttons (random Celtic nationalism, Magna Graecie FTW, Italy suxorz).

I never said Italy "suxorz", I simply said that I would like them to lose the war so as Greece can gain Libya. I made the comparison to a Greece not being taken as seriously as it could be in my alt WWI as Italy was in WWII because well, it's the truth. They weren't exactly the best listeners, after all, Rommel was not meant for North Africa.

I do however now know that Scotland and Wales will stay with England in sickness and in health.

We were discussing this just earlier. The Germans would probably turn the Dutch down. They had only a small army and their colonies would be gone in two seconds, and now Germany doesn't even have one relatively neign neutral to slip things through the blockade with.

I suppose they could be punished for neutrality and letting the Germans retreat through their nation. Belgium can still get their desired Zeelandic Flanders and Dutch Limburg.
 
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Maybe A-H could fall apart before the war starts, Russia + Serbia interfere to "help their Slavic brothers", while Austria and Hungary proper call for help and get it.
 

Kosta

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Maybe A-H could fall apart before the war starts, Russia + Serbia interfere to "help their Slavic brothers", while Austria and Hungary proper call for help and get it.

That could be very promising, thanks Max. I suppose all the major nations could try to gain favor with the Austrians and Hungarians, maybe an "aid race" could start between the Great Powers.

Haven't really seen you around the wiki lately, how's it been?
 
As for Lybia, since it wasn't until 1912 when it became an italian possession, why not have Greece getting it from the Ottomans in one of the Balkan wars? (though this might not be more feasible than getting it from Italy, I admit)
 

Kosta

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As for Lybia, since it wasn't until 1912 when it became an italian possession, why not have Greece getting it from the Ottomans in one of the Balkan wars? (though this might not be more feasible than getting it from Italy, I admit)

I was thinking of that. Though Greece aquiring it in WWI gives them 7 more years to slowly build themselves up. Of course Italy would be needed in WWI so the Libya question leaves me a bit of a dilemma.
 
The American Society of Breast Surgeons? Or does that mean American Society for bariatric surgery?

I hope youre not serious :).
I agree that this is quite ASB because, come on, netherlands is NOT gonna sway the war and Greece is so NOT more clever/powerfull/whatever than Italy. Italy is about double their size and has more people even than Britain last time I checked so NO. If youre invoking the whole ancients thing you've never heard that the Romans from Italy conquered Greece.

And how does the British Empire spontaneusly (sp) collapse before the war?

Jim
 

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I hope youre not serious :).
I agree that this is quite ASB because, come on, netherlands is NOT gonna sway the war

I never said they would.
and Greece is so NOT more clever/powerfull/whatever than Italy. Italy is about double their size and has more people even than Britain last time I checked so NO. If youre invoking the whole ancients thing you've never heard that the Romans from Italy conquered Greece.

Why they hell do you all think I'm harkening back to ancient times? That is so frustrating! Yes Greece can succeed if it has the right factors. What if Britain, France, and Russia were to tighten their hold more on Greece than here? They'd have 3 different super powers to base their government on and so much access to foreign aid. When these 3 nations decide its no longer important to stay within the nation, they can leave, leaving Greece to even be somewhat successful. I never said they would rule a land from Tianjin to Los Angeles, I said they would have ONE colony.

Besides who would think numerous petty city-states who haven't been united since when, the Norman Invasions, would unite into a country that would come to have numerous colonies. They had one man who worked for the SARDINIAN King, scarcely considered truly Italian would take over even the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and the Papal States.

Italian dialects are so varied they didn't gave the language factor. In fact before Italian Unification immigrants in other lands never said "Italian", but instead "Genoese", "Tuscan", "Venetian", "Sicilian" etc.

If all you people are going to go is bitch that "teh ideeit wants a uber gris" then stay away from my thread, I don't want your complaints.
 
If all you people are going to go is bitch that "teh ideeit wants a uber gris" then stay away from my thread, I don't want your complaints.

Im not saying that. Just how is Greece, a fairly non-powerful country, going to defeat the Ottoman empire AND the Arabs in Libya. No need to go all l33t sp33k on us. Even the Italians had trouble defeating the Ottomans and controlling the Libyans.

Jim
 

Kosta

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Im not saying that. Just how is Greece, a fairly non-powerful country, going to defeat the Ottoman empire AND the Arabs in Libya. No need to go all l33t sp33k on us. Even the Italians had trouble defeating the Ottomans and controlling the Libyans.

Jim

I'm only using that idiotic way of speaking that makes young people look bad because that "I Blame Communism" fellow started it.
 

Kosta

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AGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
you son of a bitch did you not listen to what I said at all? I am leaving this site as there the only people that linger around it are snyde "experts" of alternate history. Way to roll out the welcome wagon, everyone.
 
I'm only using that idiotic way of speaking that makes young people look bad because that "I Blame Communism" fellow started it.

you son of a bitch did you not listen to what I said at all? I am leaving this site as there the only people that linger around it are snyde "experts" of alternate history. Way to roll out the welcome wagon, everyone.

If you can't take what people call 'constructive criticism', then maybe you should calm down a bit. And yes, certain people have things that annoy them so much that they get angry. Not everyone is like that here you know.

By the way, how did Britain collapse into bits before the war started anyway?
 
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