What state that would be the most interesting replacement of the Roman Empire?

Which state would be the most interesting replacement of the Roman Empire?

  • Umbrians

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Samnites

    Votes: 7 6.8%
  • Magna Graecia

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • Carthage

    Votes: 27 26.2%
  • Gaul (Arverni)

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • Gaul (Belgae (Atrebates or Eburones))

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • Gaul (Brennus)

    Votes: 3 2.9%
  • Gaul (other)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Seleucids

    Votes: 7 6.8%
  • Iberian state (Lusitania-led)

    Votes: 5 4.9%
  • Iberian state (other)

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Macedon (after Alexander)

    Votes: 3 2.9%
  • Alexander the Great's Macedon

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • Ptolemaic Egypt

    Votes: 6 5.8%
  • Massilia

    Votes: 12 11.7%
  • Sparta

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • Athens

    Votes: 6 5.8%
  • Other Greek State

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Celto-Thracians/Tylis

    Votes: 3 2.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 3.9%

  • Total voters
    103
I voted for the Arverni out of a vague sense of Celtic solidarity, but really all these ideas and the debates they're causing are fascinating. :)

I love the Samnites to death...and half of the other factions on this list for that matter...but I had to vote for Massalia. Perfect location, combination of Greek and Gaelic culture...awesome possibilities :)

Excuse my compulsive stickling, but I think you mean "Gaulish". "Gaelic" has to do with Gaels, the speakers of the Goidelic languages who were at this time confined to Ireland. They've since overspread Man and the Gaelic part of Scotland.

It would help if we stopped using the homonym "Gallic" in favour of the more intuitive English construction "Gaulish"...
 
I voted for Massilia.
It's on the fringes of Greek power, near to Carthaginian power, plus is next to urbanising Gaul.
Even if it gets taken over by the Gauls, Gaulish Massilia will have potential at expansion.

Massillia is a greek port , I think the mix of Greek and Ligures(Which I think are italic) in Provence can make a Grecoligurian-Celtic analog to Occitan or an Occitan without latin strata.

I think Massilia can expand.
 
Massillia is a greek port , I think the mix of Greek and Ligures(Which I think are italic) in Provence can make a Grecoligurian-Celtic analog to Occitan or an Occitan without latin strata.

I think Massilia can expand.

It was a founded as a trade outpost and grew into a fully-fledged city state.
We don`t know if the Liguri are an italic tribe who became celtozied or the other way around. We do know that Celtic, Italic and Hellenic culture mixed very well in southern Gaul and in Italy.
 
Well, Etruscans, because we'd all speak some weird pre-indo-european tongue instead of all those boribg romance languages:p
 
Hmmm...then I'm interested to know how do you think the Romans were able to won the First Punic War in the first place, if you don't mind...?

An usure war, mainly.
Rome had a civilian army when Carthage had many mercenaries.
War cost a lot, especially this one, with two reconquest of Sicilia, folllowed by roman conquest.
Carthage couldn't afford to pay more, and asked for peace two times.

For the naval battles, Carthage was indeed a naval power, but a commercial one.
And it isn't the same to fight against pirates from time to time than fight an another fleet, thing that Carthage didn't had to do since 2 centuries before.

Aslo, countrary of the common myhtos, Roman were quite able on naval fight.
To make it simple, Carthage need a big fleet to maintain his troops on Sicily, Romans needed not, they had just to have a fleet to crush Carthagian vessels, but meanwhile they could continue an usure war.

One thing his certain, is that corvus never been used. It's a later litterature invention.
 
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