What should the allies have done at Versailles (and in otehr 1919 treaties)
- Thread starter Derek Jackson
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As others have said, I dont think the Treaty was the problem, but the lack of will to enforce it. If the war ends earlier, as well as there being less threat of communist take-over in Germany, the Allies may have the will to be much harsher in their enforcement of the treaty
Typo
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Except internal security was never really a problem, the Germans circumvented the 100k army deal from day one.
Define the territory and legislative arrangements of each carefully, and/or establish ethnic balloting.
Seems possible I guess, ut I'm not convinced.
Bela Kun is a problem here, yes. But my assumption was that he is defeated sooner or is otherwise irrelevant.
This is a greater Croatia, and some of its population already won't be Croat, regardless of where Banat goes.
Why have a vote?
Well, yes, but sadly there is no incentive for Poles (who would seek to dominate it) or Lithuanians (who would seek independence) to work towards equal Federation and that amount of legislation seems too extensive to be simply imposed on by the Entente.
That's for the constitution, not necessarily for subsequent meetings of a parliament. Besides, we have the Yugoslavia, Belgium, and Czechoslovakia precedents, with far less historical rationale, mind you, and each made multiethnic states work for a time.
BlairWitch749
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it was a big problem, because they had to rely on (and thus legitimize) groups of right wing thugs who bore no particular allegiance to weimar, and merely delighted at having a legal avenue to shoot communists et all (which made weimar look very week)
again if they had a larger field army directly responsible to the government, they could have crushed all the bands of rightest and leftist trouble makers (probably butterflying away the SA and other associated bands of misfits)
Reducing the amount of reparations to be paid by the Germans would have been a good idea for two reasons:
1) It would lessen the probability of German economic collapse, which ultimately led to hyperinflation anyway. Economic collapse is a breeding ground for all sorts of dangerous creatures both Fascist and Communist.
2) Countries in hyperinflation take an awfully long time to make good on their war debts/reparations
1) It would lessen the probability of German economic collapse, which ultimately led to hyperinflation anyway. Economic collapse is a breeding ground for all sorts of dangerous creatures both Fascist and Communist.
2) Countries in hyperinflation take an awfully long time to make good on their war debts/reparations
Nietzsche
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Er. Yeah. All you're going to do is severely piss off the Junkers, and most Prussians in general. How do you expect Poland to keep the Germans themselves down? Konigsberg is going to be in a constant state of revolt...funded, armed, ect entirely by any German state(s) in existence, regardless of their differences in ideology.
You've mad a bad situation worse.
Ethnic cleansing only solution, but I agree, East Prussia was too German for Poland. And more importantly: too Prussian!
Well, OTL the Germans were expelled. After WW1 there was not much talk about expelling people´.
archaeogeek
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Sorry for off-topic, but the same solution could be applied on Japan in Washington Naval Conference, why not to let them to build 5:5:5 with US and UK, they have no money for that.
Because Britain was the empire asking for the WNC and was seeing that the US could easily outbuild the Royal Navy and then some if they really wanted to spark a race.
It would not have done any harm to accept the Japanese proposal that the text include
“The equality of nations being a basic principle of the League of Nations, the High Contracting Parties agree to accord as soon as possible to all alien nationals of states, members of the League, equal and just treatment in every respect making no distinction, either in law or in fact, on account of their race or nationality.”
See “Japan, Race and Equality: The Racial Equality Proposal of 1919” by Naoko Shimazu http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...m=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
“The equality of nations being a basic principle of the League of Nations, the High Contracting Parties agree to accord as soon as possible to all alien nationals of states, members of the League, equal and just treatment in every respect making no distinction, either in law or in fact, on account of their race or nationality.”
See “Japan, Race and Equality: The Racial Equality Proposal of 1919” by Naoko Shimazu http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...m=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
They were, along with the British and Belgians. They abandoned it in 1930, five years earlier than the ToV required. Again, it was a matter of will power (lack of).
At times, I come near to the depressing conclusion that the least worst outcome would have been a CP victory. At least they would have had no qualms about enforcing their peace terms, however unfair those might have been.