What "should" have happened to the Romanovs?

I think most of us can agree that being killed in a cellar in the middle of the night with no trial was probably not a very fair fate for Nicholas II and especially for his wife and children*. But letting them go to exile in Paris to live out their days in luxury doesn't seem very right either, especially since there are political reasons why this is a bad idea for the Communists (as any surviving heir could be a rallying point for White forces).

But there must be something in the middle. A public trial for Nicholas II and a public execution? Internal exile for his family? Nothing seems particularly "fair" to me aside from, say, letting the wife and children escape to live as a middle class working family in Ohio or Manitoba or Western Australia or Uruguay or something, and perhaps executing Nicholas after a public trial (even if the verdict is assured), but it strikes me as an interesting discussion.

We can take inspiration, I guess, from other deposed monarchs - in particular, I like the example of Simeon II of Bulgaria, who was reigning king but a small child, who first joined Victor Emmanuel in Egypt before moving to Madrid, where he lived quite comfortably, attending an exclusive school and marrying into the local nobility. Karl I&IV of Austria-Hungary was exiled to Madeira, after two failed attempts to seize the throne of Hungary. Victor Emmanuel was, as mentioned, exiled to Alexandria, but he died before he could do too much.

Of course, none of those deposements were amid a bloody revolution like October Revolution and Russian Civil War. Emperor Puyi of China is perhaps the closest analogy, considering that the Republican Revolution there was hardly clean and peaceful, though he was a small child when it happened. He was exiled and then tried to reclaim the throne before eventually being used as a puppet by the Japanese in Manchuria.

So we see the danger of leaving spare monarchs hanging around. But still - killing children usually feels like murder.

* Not just the Romanov, but the Rowomanov and Rochildrenovs too
 
Nicholas II: Expelling, to foreign nation or internal exile might be most ideal solution. If you are going with trial and execution, you just make him martyr. And such act would be sign that things might not go better (Charles I of England and Louis XVI). Of course when Nicholas II would be internal exile, it must make sure that he can't contact any monarchist circle. Alexanra could too be in exile in same place as her husband. She wasn't totally non-guilty.

Children: Just let them go to foreign country and live their own life. Alexei probably still dies very young before he can't gets his own children. So he hardly would even be any risk.

But achieving so good future for them you should avoid October Revolution.
 
This Wikipedia article suggests an answer :p:

"...Puyi was of considerable value to Mao, as Behr noted: 'In the eyes of Mao and other Chinese Communist leaders, Pu Yi, the last Emperor, was the epitome of all that had been evil in old Chinese society. If he could be shown to have undergone sincere, permanent change, what hope was there for the most diehard counter-revolutionary? The more overwhelming the guilt, the more spectacular the redemption-and the greater glory of the Chinese Communist Party.' Furthermore, Mao had often noted that Lenin had Nicholas II, the last Russian emperor, shot together with the rest of the Russian imperial family, as Lenin could not make the last tsar into a communist; making the last Chinese emperor into a Communist was intended to show the superiority of Chinese communism over Soviet communism..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi?...Fjhtoz7DEhHZsRbgS5H5Wo#Later_life_(1945–1967)
 
"Gromeko: [Aghast while reading newspaper] They've shot the Czar. And all his family.

[crumples newspaper]

Gromeko: Oh, that's a savage deed. What's it for?

Zhivago: It's to show there's no going back."

This is a quote from the movie "Dr. Zhivago". It came to mind when I read the OP.
 
Post February Revolution government was extremely shaky. Revolutionaries pulled out whole reason for regime existence, in middle of the war on top of it, and failed to build replacement that would be universally accepted legitimate by Russian peoples. Bolsheviks inherited this problem. In certain way, they "had" to kill Romanovs. Too many people still liked the tsar. There are plenty of anecdotes recorded by left wing agitators in 1917 and 1918: "Who'll you vote for, now that we're democratic republic?" asked agitator "Why, for the tsar!" answered peasant.

Since tsar gave up power without fight, the "right" thing to do would be to leave him to live out his life as private citizen. Of course, as I said, he was still too popular for revolutionaries to accept this.
If february and october revolutions were so popular as it's often claimed, and tsar so hated as it's often claimed, then both Kerensky's and Lenin's governments could simply ignore Romanovs as irrelevant, or pull Puyi on them like Mao did. They didn't, so it's strongly suggesting they couldn't.
 

iVC

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Nicholas II: public trial after the protensive legal argument, including the Lena massacre, Bloody Sunday, squashing of 1905 Russian Revolution (Min and Riman punitive regiments) and lack of preparedness to war with Japan. Most probably his private diaries would bubble to the surface along with his personal opinion about common people and his usual habit to appoint a very cruel and conservative statesmen.

Most probably should be condemned, pardoned and sentenced to the home detention like the beast in the zoo. When he grows old and weak, public opinion should be much more soft and easy.

Alexandra: publicly trialed on a charge of being Germany spy (which charge should dissipate ridiculously) and being supportive of her husband's harsh policies. Her personal diaries and letters would also bubble to the surface, uncovering her 'be strong and CRUSH ALL OF THESE PUNY REVOLUTIONARIES' type of exaltation.

Stripped of citizenship and sent away to Weimar Republic. Everything else is Weimar Republic's headache.

Children: to be offered an opportunity to either bear company with their mother or support their father during his future home detention. Must swear loyalty to the Republic/Soviet Republic, became ordinary citizens and be warned about all these future monarchistic coups and imminent retribution. Most probably family would be divided.

All these events must be simultaneously: e.g. proclaiming the juridical decision about Alexandra and the children should be postponed until Tsar's trial comes to an end.

p.s. No active Civil War is necessary and appropriate condition. Most probably can be achieved through peaceful integration of Provisional Government into the Bolshevik structures or through the coalition of left-wing ruling parties.
 
This Wikipedia article suggests an answer :p:

"...Puyi was of considerable value to Mao, as Behr noted: 'In the eyes of Mao and other Chinese Communist leaders, Pu Yi, the last Emperor, was the epitome of all that had been evil in old Chinese society. If he could be shown to have undergone sincere, permanent change, what hope was there for the most diehard counter-revolutionary? The more overwhelming the guilt, the more spectacular the redemption-and the greater glory of the Chinese Communist Party.' Furthermore, Mao had often noted that Lenin had Nicholas II, the last Russian emperor, shot together with the rest of the Russian imperial family, as Lenin could not make the last tsar into a communist; making the last Chinese emperor into a Communist was intended to show the superiority of Chinese communism over Soviet communism..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi?fbclid=IwAR3DMw7dexQN_1Eh0pQd0UmIL8YSyePbobFftFjhtoz7DEhHZsRbgS5H5Wo#Later_life_(1945–1967)

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

 
It's a complicated question. On one hand, letting Nicky go into exile would create a focal point for opposition. On the other hand, it's Nicky. Thick as a whale omelette, and a perfect bogey-man for the Bolsheviks to rally against (and a thorough embarrassment to the Whites while they're at it. Plenty of Whites couldn't stand Nicky either).

I say let him go. If he ends up in London or Paris, it means the British or French have to defend giving asylum to a deposed despot.
 
Would there have been any support for a constitutional monarchy under Alexis / Regent or Michael? Model after the UK? Nicholas and Alexandra could then live out their lives in one of the royal residences outside of the capital or even go abroad.
 
Exile. Executing royals when you don't have the entire royal family is objectively stupid because there will always be another claimant and executing royals just gets you bad press. Plus, the Soviet Union was never really practically threatened by a movement which gained great advantage from using the Roman's symbolically; the White Army was not monarchist and rather sought military dictatorship.
 

Geon

Donor
Here's a rather interesting possibility.

The Russians offer the UK a deal, the Queen, her daughters, and Alexei will be allowed to leave Russia for permanent exile in the UK, however Nicholas will be taken to Petrograd for a public trial and execution. In exchange for the Czarina, the princesses, and the young Prince's life the Bolsheviks want the assets of the Romanov family transferred to their government. In addition young Alexei must disavow any future claim to the throne.

George V cannot save his relative "Nicky", but he can possibly save his children and wife. He agrees to the conditions and Alexei, at gunpoint, is forced to sign a document disavowing his claim to the throne.

The deal is made and Alexandra, the daughters, and Alexei are shipped off to the UK to a comfortable exile. Meantime Nicholas arrives in Leningrad where after a very public trial presided over by Lenin himself, Nicholas is executed by a firing squad. All of this is recorded by motion picture cameras and still photographs for posterity. Lenin orders the body of the Czar cremated and the ashes consigned to the sea.

Meantime the UK in accordance with the deal turns over all of the Czar's assets presently held in British banks. The Russian royal family is forced to accept charity from its British hosts, a fact reported with glee by the Soviet press.

But one of the daughters - perhaps Anastasia - decides she will not take this lying down. The Romanovs did manage to smuggle out many of their own jewelry sewed in the dresses and clothes they wear. The Bolsheviks don't know it but by releasing the Romanovs they have created an enemy for themselves. One who starting with the small fortune in jewels they smuggled out will use it to eventually overthrow the government of murderers that killed her father.
 
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But one of the daughters - perhaps Anastasia - decides she will not take this lying down. The Romanovs did manage to smuggle out many of their own jewelry sewed in the dresses and clothes they wear. The Bolsheviks don't know it but by releasing the Romanovs they have created an enemy for themselves. One who starting with the small fortune in jewels they smuggled out will use it to eventually overthrow the government of murderers that killed her father.

Ten years later she gets an ice pick to the head, Stalin doesn’t mess around.
 
Exile them to... where exactly? In hindsight, sending the Romanovs to the USA or France is rather stupid. If all goes as OTL then the Germans will use the Romanovs as an alternative to Stalin. The USA would use them as well to destabilise the USSR.

Letting them in Russia under strict control and maybe never to let them married is a hard but better option. The Romanov Family die out then.
 
Whilst morally I do believe a trial and imprisonment (for the Tsar anyway, not his family) would have been ideal, pragmatically there isnt a good option for Lenin which did not involve killing the royals.
The whites only unifying theme for the most part was a chance of continuing/restoring the monarchy in some fashion or another. Even if Lenin still wins, all the whites outside the country would have a universal rallying cry.
 
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