What POD is needed to prevent or lessen Islamic terrorism

Pretty much exactly what the title says. What would need to happen in order to either prevent, delay or decrease the creation of Islamic terrorist groups.

I'd imagine one POD would be for Britain and France to allow the former conquests of the Ottomans to become independent rather then Mandates.

What do you people think?

Note: I'm not trying to start an arguement. I'm genuinely curious how one could prevent, delay or lessen this.
 
- Prevent dissolution of Ottoman Empire (best way would be that OE is neutral or CPs win WW1)
- Allow formation of Kingdom of Greater Syria and keep France and UK away from ME.
- Avoid creation of Israel.
- Don't allow Europeans and Americans keep ME under their thumbs.
 
- Prevent dissolution of Ottoman Empire (best way would be that OE is neutral or CPs win WW1)
- Allow formation of Kingdom of Greater Syria and keep France and UK away from ME.
- Avoid creation of Israel.
- Don't allow Europeans and Americans keep ME under their thumbs.

It's much much easier than that...
Have the CIA not replace Mossadegh during the Shah Crisis in Iran and have them not arm the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan.

Islamism is never legitimized as a way to fight back against Superpower meddling.
 
I don't know if these'd actually work or not but somethings which might slow/stop the rise of radical Islamic terrorists would be:

-prevent 6 Day War
-prevent Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan
-prevent Sadat's assassination
-change focus of or prevent Iranian revolution
-Revising the mandates would help either by not assigning mandates or giving fixed end dates or else alternate mandated powers might've helped ( I vaguely remeber Syria asking the LoN for either no mandate or an American one which the Americans refused to provide, while the Syrians considered a French mandate as the worst possibly outcome - guess what they got)
-I don't actually know if avoiding Sykes-Picot would help that much. Self-actualised states which emerge out of a disintergrating Ottoman Empire after centuries of cohesive rule wouldn't necessarily have better borders than the existing ones.
-There's probably something to try to make Saudi Arabia more like Transjordania or Egypt that is have them follow a more moderate Islam so the oil wealth doesn't support wahabism as much as it does.
 
- Prevent dissolution of Ottoman Empire (best way would be that OE is neutral or CPs win WW1)
- Allow formation of Kingdom of Greater Syria and keep France and UK away from ME.
- Avoid creation of Israel.
- Don't allow Europeans and Americans keep ME under their thumbs.
This, specially the middle two
 
Killing bin Laden in Afghanistan before he can found AQ will prevent that organization in particular from forming, as well as deprive global Islamism generally of a charismatic leader and a big-time source of cash.

You could argue OBL would be replaced by someone else (although that's way too deterministic for my taste), but said someone else might not have the connections, cash, charisma, etc
 
Perhaps an alternate one-what if the western powers hold down the Middle East even harder than OTL-the British and French give no illusion about transferring the mandates to independence.

Basically turn the MENA region into a gigantic set of barracks and oil extraction facilities.

Support local regimes that crush Islamist movements before they gain any large traction.

Second the Arab Left is far more successful-communist Iraq, Egypt or Sudan-Islamism is butterflied away.
 

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Second the Arab Left is far more successful-communist Iraq, Egypt or Sudan-Islamism is butterflied away.

Except, the rebels against those regimes embrace Islamism and Politicized Islam is only delayed until the fall of the wall.

Then of course there's the problem that there's no way in hell the west accepts WAR-PAC control of MidEast oil.
 
Perhaps then more a communist wank then Soviet wank-

POD: Communist Germany-Europe goes red within the 1920s

Marxist movements spring up like wildfire in the Arab world-

By 2010 the whole world is communist and Islamist never arose at all.
 

RousseauX

Donor
Perhaps then more a communist wank then Soviet wank-

POD: Communist Germany-Europe goes red within the 1920s

Marxist movements spring up like wildfire in the Arab world-

By 2010 the whole world is communist and Islamist never arose at all.
The Middle-East was secular socialist for the 50s and 60s, it didn't stop the rise of Islamism in the 70s onwards
 

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The two plausible ones are avoiding the Iranian revolution (no operation Ajax) and no Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and obviously no 2003 Iraq war

The first would have gotten rid of Shia terrorism on the scale it existed in the 80s (Hezebollah etc), the second one would have pre-empted Al-Qaeda/Taliban, the last would have pre-emptied ISIS
 
The Middle-East was secular socialist for the 50s and 60s, it didn't stop the rise of Islamism in the 70s onwards
I'm arguing that a communist wank in Europe and Asia(arguably the Western Hemisphere as well) would head off the developments of Islamism.

So much of that movement was indeed tied to events early in the 20th century if the 20th century itself took a radicallily different course early on there would be no recognizable Islamist movement.
 
It's much much easier than that...
Have the CIA not replace Mossadegh during the Shah Crisis in Iran and have them not arm the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan.

Islamism is never legitimized as a way to fight back against Superpower meddling.

Why would that stop terrorism? ISIS and the like are Salafists/Sunnis, not Shias. The Saudis are the main sponsors of terrorism.
 
I'm arguing that a communist wank in Europe and Asia(arguably the Western Hemisphere as well) would head off the developments of Islamism.

So much of that movement was indeed tied to events early in the 20th century if the 20th century itself took a radicallily different course early on there would be no recognizable Islamist movement.

Or it could provoke the rise of Islamism. Many Afghan rebels were PO'd about the Communist Afghan government reducing Pashtun privilege, educating women, etc.

(This is not to say they ALL were, but they weren't all pakol-wearing George Washingtons either.)

In your scenario, the European powers are imposing reforms on their colonies, so it's not just native heretics, but foreign non-Muslim colonialists.
 
Preventing Wahabi loonies getting all the Saudi money and promoting that version of Islam

THIS is the main answer! Saudi Arabia is number one sponsor of radical Islam and therefore of Islamic terrorism. The UK is much to blame for this, as they accepted Saudi dominance on the Arabian peninsula in exchange for the Saudis to accept British areas in the south of the peninsula. If Britain and France had kept its promises in the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence (establishment of an Arab state), the Saudi dominance could perhaps have been avoided.
 
Pretty much exactly what the title says. What would need to happen in order to either prevent, delay or decrease the creation of Islamic terrorist groups.

I'd imagine one POD would be for Britain and France to allow the former conquests of the Ottomans to become independent rather then Mandates.

What do you people think?

Note: I'm not trying to start an arguement. I'm genuinely curious how one could prevent, delay or lessen this.

Sufism ?
 
No oil in the middle east.

No oil there, no one cares about the whole area. It doesn't become a political pawn over decades, which the locals being thrown around like cannon fodder. And no country there has the money to cause problems...
 
No oil in the middle east.

No oil there, no one cares about the whole area. It doesn't become a political pawn over decades, which the locals being thrown around like cannon fodder. And no country there has the money to cause problems...

That requires a VERY early POD, which would butterfly humanity...
 
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