England and Scotland were allied Protestant powers (in opposition to the Catholics of Ireland and France), and then sharing a monarch, for literally centuries. Let's not falsely project OTL 21st-century circumstances onto this ATL 19th century, please. It really isn't reasonable to expect the same antagonism of Scotland against England as of Ireland against both Scotland and England. Contrary to the reimagining of history that certain factions today find it convenient to perform, the history between Scotland and England was far more complicated than the simplistic pure hatred which some foreigners (especially gullible teenagers who've been watching too much Braveheart) sometimes expect.
"What Madness Is This?" Volume I: The Union Forever
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England and Scotland were allied Protestant powers (in opposition to the Catholics of Ireland and France), and then sharing a monarch, for literally centuries. Let's not falsely project OTL 21st-century circumstances onto this ATL 19th century, please. It really isn't reasonable to expect the same antagonism of Scotland against England as of Ireland against both Scotland and England. Contrary to the reimagining of history that certain factions today find it convenient to perform, the history between Scotland and England was far more complicated than the simplistic pure hatred which some foreigners (especially gullible teenagers who've been watching too much Braveheart) sometimes expect.
That too is an oversimplification, before Edward II the Scots where seen as equals, after the Maid of Norway died and the dream of a personal union was dashed the Scots where lumped in with all the other Celts and seen as savages. While this situation did improve, right up to the start of this TL the Scots where seen as aliens, as can be seen in how the London crowds abused the Earl of Bute during the reign of George III as a 'foreigner' and 'Scottish rogue'.
Which didn't exactly stop the Scots from invading England and being invaded in turn, not to mention that fact that the Act of Union of 1707 which finally unified both kingdoms was done with a monumental amount of bribery and opposition from the vast majority of the Scottish population.
Hahaha, does 'Covenanter' ring a bell?
Like fundamentally I do agree with your overall point that English like the Scots better than the Irish, but there is a big difference between that and portraying such a fraught relationship in rosy terms.
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Agree wholeheartedly with this, in the original statement I was joking (I'm an Englishman whose a third Scottish and Irish so...technically I'm a Celtic Brit) but this would probably be the sentiment for some English especially since the Scottish did leave the English hanging dry as the Napoleonic war ended and the Scottish still remember the Jacobites and 1746. Old wounds won't heal quickly.
Also Scotland would be a democratic nation (with at this point at least one Socialist style party) which harbours Catholics and probably has a number of Indian and Chinese immigrants living there so the English and the AFC won't really like them.
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Rosy terms?
On the contrary; obviously there were wars between England and Scotland, and I never said otherwise. I did say that wars weren't the only thing there were. England and Scotland weren't friendly all the time, but they weren't enemies all the time, either.
Specifically the post which I objected to was proposing, implicitly, that typical English people would be thinking "I keep on forgetting that the Scottish are betters...like we hate the Irish so surely we should hate the Scottish".
Edit: This post was perhaps a bit harsh. Sorry about that. I do agree with you that the picture in the 17th and 18th centuries was considerably more complicated than two centuries of alliance. But the picture in the preceding centuries was also considerably more complicated than centuries of endlessly being enemies. There's a common and extremely crude picture, among some people from outside Great Britain who aren't familiar with the history, which over-simplifies British history to the extreme point of falsely imagining that the entire thing between England and Scotland was basically just a thousand years of Battle of Bannockburn-esque moments; I've seen it many, many times on this site and elsewhere. I suppose that's what got my hackles up and drew forth from me such a terse, not-very-polite contradiction.
The salient point is that the history of Scotland and England is not as simple and one-sided as "well, we all hate each other". Imagining, therefore, that the people of England and Scotland should necessarily hate each other in all TLs is both a failure of history and a failure of imagination.
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Please note that original statement was meant to be a joke, it was taking the mick out of how the English will hate the Irish and Welsh but the Scottish get off Scot free because of the ideas of Marxism despite the Irish and Scottish having a similar background (this is coming from an Englishman whose a third Scottish and a third Irish).
It wasn't meant to be some blanket statement about the English in this timeline although I get the feeling there is some bad blood between them (remember the Scottish left the English hanging dry during the end of Napoleonic war). I know history isn't the Scottish and English hating each other but in this universe I could them disliking each other for much of the 19th Century and 20th Century.
Scotland contains these things so the English would probably grumbled about them but will focus most of there energy on the Irish and Welsh.
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In conclusion Scotland is a land of contrasts.
In all seriousness I think we all tried to correct effectively the same stereotype and ended up tangled up with each other, oh well at least you guys seem cool.
@Napoleon53 there is something else that I wanted to ask you, will climate change play a role in this TL or will it be outside its scope?
In all seriousness I think we all tried to correct effectively the same stereotype and ended up tangled up with each other, oh well at least you guys seem cool.
@Napoleon53 there is something else that I wanted to ask you, will climate change play a role in this TL or will it be outside its scope?
kingwilliam14
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Lowland Scots would technically be considered Germanic Anglo-Saxons, and Presbyterians are good Calvinists. When you combine this with the fact that many Americans are of Scottish heritage, it's not surprising that Scots would be considered Betters.
I imagine in this timeline, Scots prefer to emphasize their Germanic and Norse heritage over their Celtic one, as opposed to today where most Scottish nationalists seem to care more about the Celtic heritage.
I imagine in this timeline, Scots prefer to emphasize their Germanic and Norse heritage over their Celtic one, as opposed to today where most Scottish nationalists seem to care more about the Celtic heritage.
I really like this idea, especially given the number of Carolinians who have Scottish heritage. However, I feel CoCaro basically has to stay neutral during the Great War to survive, depending on how the alliances form. If the RU and the Reich form a non-aggression pact of some sort, I could maybe see CoCaro aligning with them to grab up some land in Africa, but as soon as the Union eventually turns on the Reich, Carolina has to leave the Reich's side to have a shot in hell at survival.
I like the idea of all the alliances having at least one ally that confuses them in some way:
CoCaro is allied with the Reich but has major politicians preaching the ideas of Anglo Normanism and is a tiny land surrounded by a the RU juggernaut
Wales is allied with the Bonapartists but is a weird democratic republic which is full of Socialists, Celtic Revivalists and Radicals and wants to start a punch up with the English
The RU has Japan, who are Asians that believe in the AFC and the weird racial purity that they preach and they have to commit backwards logic to explain why the Japanese aren't inferiors
The League of Tsars has Russia...I say no more
kingwilliam14
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I wonder if after a few generations of Yankee rule, Canadians, Virginians, and Georgians simply just consider themselves American and fully part of the RU without much of a second thought.
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I stumbled upon... something that would fit right in here. It even reads like some AFC trickery. Just modify the language really
The Precious Sons of Zion
The Spirit of God says, "My people have cried. My people have cried out for an answer, and this is what I have to say," says the Spirit of Life.
"A veil has been placed upon this nation, and I did it. I did it so that for a season My people would wonder and faith would increase, for in darkness faith grows. In despair, faith grows. I did it. But now My fury has ended. Hear Me, for I have found a man after My own heart. I have found a man after My own heart, and he is amongst you. He is one of the brothers, but singled out for Presidency of the United States of America.
"But hear the transcription of God upon the heart of His prophet – how the gold has become dim, the stones of the sanctuary are scattered at the head of every street. The precious sons of Zion, valuable as fine gold, are now regarded as clay pots; and those who ate delicacies are desolate in the streets; and those who were brought up in royal scarlet now embrace ash heaps.
"Is this what I wanted? My people were brighter than snow, whiter than milk. They were like sapphire in their appearance, and now they are stricken for lack of fruits in the field. The hands of once-compassionate women have cooked their own children, and their children have become food for them. Your children have become food for you who were once compassionate women.
"But My fury is fulfilled," says the Lord, "and I have now kindled a fire in Zion. I have kindled a fire in Zion, in America, in nations throughout the earth, and My fist is about to smack down on Russia; for out of the rebellion of the Ukraine, which was seen by My prophet, shall come out of those ashes, beauty – shall come out of that sadness, joy – shall come out of those garments, praise," says the Lord.
Fortunes of Zion
"I have searched for a man and a woman who would stand in the Oval Office and pray and call for the restoration of the fortunes of Zion. I have looked for a man who would pray for the restoration of the fortunes of Zion. Therefore, if you hear My heart," says the Lord, "today, I will take you on a journey.
"I will first take you to Israel, whom they would give Jerusalem to his enemies. Why would they give half of Jerusalem away? This will not happen," says the Lord, "for I will take you on a journey today into Jerusalem, where it shall be prophesied through song by My prophet what I intend doing in Jerusalem and in the United States of America at the same time," says the Lord.
"I am restoring the fortunes of Zion. I am restoring the fortunes that were the inheritance of My people. I am restoring the fortunes of those that are the elect of God and have been stolen from. You shall eat your delicacies again, and your children will no longer be your food. You shall not use them and take them out of the womb anymore," says the Lord.
"Watch how I change everything, for there shall be those who are in justice. There are those who are in a strong position" – I'm just hearing this now – "in the highest court in the land – the Supreme Court. Two shall step down for the embarrassment of what shall take place, for I wish to place in the highest court in the land, righteousness. And they shall attempt to put others in to endeavor to reach their endeavors, but," God says, "hear Me tonight. Hear Me today – I have this whole thing planned out according to My will, for it is now time for Me to restore the fortunes of Zion – the fortunes to those that had it once, you are going to get it back. This is My promise," says the Lord of Hosts.
Enemies of Israel and the West
Let us go to IsraHELL. Let us now go to IsraHELL. Let us go to IsraHELL, where there is a single woman crying out and praying for the peace, for the prosperity of her land. Listen to her as she prays out, for this is happening now, and I am hearing her prayer from the hills outside of Jerusalem. This is actually happening in the Spirit. (Hannah sings)
This man has stood in Jerusalem. This man that I saw in the vision, a man that came out of a vision, please hear me. I was standing in my garden. Suddenly the Spirit came and removed from my eyes, scales. I was praying for America, and I was praying for Israel – nothing unusual. Suddenly behind me, starting behind my back, going in the form of an arrow, were hundreds of thousands of people. And I turned around and I was stunned at what I saw. This was not just a mere dream, but this was a vision.
And so I raised my hand like this and every one of them raised their hands. I looked back and they were doing the same thing. I shouted and they all shouted. They were one. They were one, one party. One party of people. It continued until I realized that in the unity of these, amongst them stood one that God had set aside to be the leader of this nation. I said, "Why am I hearing this so soon? Surely You would show me a little bit of it closer to the time." And the Spirit of God said to me, "This man has a humble stature, but he is a genius."
And then I heard, "Gold." I wasn't sure if this was attached to his name, but He said to me, "He will restore the fortunes in this nation because of his brilliance."
I couldn't quite see his face, because that was not allowed, because there was a mist that covered all the people, and he was amongst them. And the Spirit of God made me look at him, and He said, "This man will throttle the enemies of Israel. This man will throttle the enemies of the West. And there are highly embarrassing moments that are about to occur for many, many politicians in this nation. There will be a shaking amongst the Democrats in the upcoming elections, but unsettling for the Republicans." Why is God doing this? "For," God said, "I am dissatisfied with what emerges from both parties."
And then there is a nation, He showed me, He took me, itching for a new kind of war with America. "They will shout, 'Impeach!' 'Impeach,' they say, but nay. This nation shall come very subtly, but he shall not come in the time of President Obama. They shall come when this new one arises, My David that I have set aside for this nation – a man of prayer, a man of choice words, not a man who is verbose, who has verbosity, who speaks too much. They will even say, 'This man is not speaking enough,' but," God says, "I have set him aside. They will shout, 'Impeach! Impeach!' but this shall not happen.
The Giant of Debt
And then," God says, "highly embarrassing moments when another Snowden arises, and people will become very afraid. They'll say, 'We have no protection.'" And then, God says, "Am I impressed with your weapons of war? Am I impressed with the strength of your men's legs? Ha! I have said I will bring this nation to its knees, and," God said, "you have been humbled, and yet some more, and then you shall hear the sounds of great victory. For where are the people gathered? Where are My people gathered? Where is the sound of unity from My people?
"In this next week, this man shall begin to emerge, and in the following two weeks, which is a three-week period, he shall slowly come to the fore. For they are saying, 'How do we kill the giant? How do we kill the giant of debt? How do we kill the giant of socialism? How do we kill the giant of human secularism?
"I have placed that man amongst you, a humble man. And as Samuel stood before the brothers, and they had rejected David to come because of his age" – take all these little remarks I'm giving you – they are gems. The name and the word "gold" – remember that. A man that is amongst them, but is young. And God says, "These that shall reject him shall be shocked at how he takes the giant down.
Now hear me, please. The giant of debt, the giants that have come, the brothers of Goliath, stand in glee watching America. "We will cripple you. You will lose your credit." But God said, "Watch. I said 20,000. Look not to Wall Street; however, observe. And they shall say, 'What is your plan for this giant?' And he will take a simple stone," (remember the name), and he will hold it up and they will laugh at him, but the plan is so brilliant," says the Lord. "It could only have been given by Me
The Spirit of God says, "My people have cried. My people have cried out for an answer, and this is what I have to say," says the Spirit of Life.
"A veil has been placed upon this nation, and I did it. I did it so that for a season My people would wonder and faith would increase, for in darkness faith grows. In despair, faith grows. I did it. But now My fury has ended. Hear Me, for I have found a man after My own heart. I have found a man after My own heart, and he is amongst you. He is one of the brothers, but singled out for Presidency of the United States of America.
"But hear the transcription of God upon the heart of His prophet – how the gold has become dim, the stones of the sanctuary are scattered at the head of every street. The precious sons of Zion, valuable as fine gold, are now regarded as clay pots; and those who ate delicacies are desolate in the streets; and those who were brought up in royal scarlet now embrace ash heaps.
"Is this what I wanted? My people were brighter than snow, whiter than milk. They were like sapphire in their appearance, and now they are stricken for lack of fruits in the field. The hands of once-compassionate women have cooked their own children, and their children have become food for them. Your children have become food for you who were once compassionate women.
"But My fury is fulfilled," says the Lord, "and I have now kindled a fire in Zion. I have kindled a fire in Zion, in America, in nations throughout the earth, and My fist is about to smack down on Russia; for out of the rebellion of the Ukraine, which was seen by My prophet, shall come out of those ashes, beauty – shall come out of that sadness, joy – shall come out of those garments, praise," says the Lord.
Fortunes of Zion
"I have searched for a man and a woman who would stand in the Oval Office and pray and call for the restoration of the fortunes of Zion. I have looked for a man who would pray for the restoration of the fortunes of Zion. Therefore, if you hear My heart," says the Lord, "today, I will take you on a journey.
"I will first take you to Israel, whom they would give Jerusalem to his enemies. Why would they give half of Jerusalem away? This will not happen," says the Lord, "for I will take you on a journey today into Jerusalem, where it shall be prophesied through song by My prophet what I intend doing in Jerusalem and in the United States of America at the same time," says the Lord.
"I am restoring the fortunes of Zion. I am restoring the fortunes that were the inheritance of My people. I am restoring the fortunes of those that are the elect of God and have been stolen from. You shall eat your delicacies again, and your children will no longer be your food. You shall not use them and take them out of the womb anymore," says the Lord.
"Watch how I change everything, for there shall be those who are in justice. There are those who are in a strong position" – I'm just hearing this now – "in the highest court in the land – the Supreme Court. Two shall step down for the embarrassment of what shall take place, for I wish to place in the highest court in the land, righteousness. And they shall attempt to put others in to endeavor to reach their endeavors, but," God says, "hear Me tonight. Hear Me today – I have this whole thing planned out according to My will, for it is now time for Me to restore the fortunes of Zion – the fortunes to those that had it once, you are going to get it back. This is My promise," says the Lord of Hosts.
Enemies of Israel and the West
Let us go to IsraHELL. Let us now go to IsraHELL. Let us go to IsraHELL, where there is a single woman crying out and praying for the peace, for the prosperity of her land. Listen to her as she prays out, for this is happening now, and I am hearing her prayer from the hills outside of Jerusalem. This is actually happening in the Spirit. (Hannah sings)
This man has stood in Jerusalem. This man that I saw in the vision, a man that came out of a vision, please hear me. I was standing in my garden. Suddenly the Spirit came and removed from my eyes, scales. I was praying for America, and I was praying for Israel – nothing unusual. Suddenly behind me, starting behind my back, going in the form of an arrow, were hundreds of thousands of people. And I turned around and I was stunned at what I saw. This was not just a mere dream, but this was a vision.
And so I raised my hand like this and every one of them raised their hands. I looked back and they were doing the same thing. I shouted and they all shouted. They were one. They were one, one party. One party of people. It continued until I realized that in the unity of these, amongst them stood one that God had set aside to be the leader of this nation. I said, "Why am I hearing this so soon? Surely You would show me a little bit of it closer to the time." And the Spirit of God said to me, "This man has a humble stature, but he is a genius."
And then I heard, "Gold." I wasn't sure if this was attached to his name, but He said to me, "He will restore the fortunes in this nation because of his brilliance."
I couldn't quite see his face, because that was not allowed, because there was a mist that covered all the people, and he was amongst them. And the Spirit of God made me look at him, and He said, "This man will throttle the enemies of Israel. This man will throttle the enemies of the West. And there are highly embarrassing moments that are about to occur for many, many politicians in this nation. There will be a shaking amongst the Democrats in the upcoming elections, but unsettling for the Republicans." Why is God doing this? "For," God said, "I am dissatisfied with what emerges from both parties."
And then there is a nation, He showed me, He took me, itching for a new kind of war with America. "They will shout, 'Impeach!' 'Impeach,' they say, but nay. This nation shall come very subtly, but he shall not come in the time of President Obama. They shall come when this new one arises, My David that I have set aside for this nation – a man of prayer, a man of choice words, not a man who is verbose, who has verbosity, who speaks too much. They will even say, 'This man is not speaking enough,' but," God says, "I have set him aside. They will shout, 'Impeach! Impeach!' but this shall not happen.
The Giant of Debt
And then," God says, "highly embarrassing moments when another Snowden arises, and people will become very afraid. They'll say, 'We have no protection.'" And then, God says, "Am I impressed with your weapons of war? Am I impressed with the strength of your men's legs? Ha! I have said I will bring this nation to its knees, and," God said, "you have been humbled, and yet some more, and then you shall hear the sounds of great victory. For where are the people gathered? Where are My people gathered? Where is the sound of unity from My people?
"In this next week, this man shall begin to emerge, and in the following two weeks, which is a three-week period, he shall slowly come to the fore. For they are saying, 'How do we kill the giant? How do we kill the giant of debt? How do we kill the giant of socialism? How do we kill the giant of human secularism?
"I have placed that man amongst you, a humble man. And as Samuel stood before the brothers, and they had rejected David to come because of his age" – take all these little remarks I'm giving you – they are gems. The name and the word "gold" – remember that. A man that is amongst them, but is young. And God says, "These that shall reject him shall be shocked at how he takes the giant down.
Now hear me, please. The giant of debt, the giants that have come, the brothers of Goliath, stand in glee watching America. "We will cripple you. You will lose your credit." But God said, "Watch. I said 20,000. Look not to Wall Street; however, observe. And they shall say, 'What is your plan for this giant?' And he will take a simple stone," (remember the name), and he will hold it up and they will laugh at him, but the plan is so brilliant," says the Lord. "It could only have been given by Me
Sorry for anyone who hasn't gotten a PM back or post reply! Been a hectic couple of days and my girlfriend was over for the weekend. Lol
So I have decided to hold off on the baseball chapter until after the Great War. I feel like the sport wouldn't truly be a phenomenon and come into its own until post-war. So basically next chapter is a prelude to war.
Here are some ideas:
The Qing emperor is assassinated circa 1910 and a republic is proclaimed in China. As monarchists are killed in China French Revolution style, this worries Czarkhan Vik, who offers to take his old enemies in. He offers to install the boy Puyi as Emperor again and fight the revolutionaries. In exchange, Puyi will basically be a puppet and will join a defensive pact against Persia and Holy Nippon. Europa, disliking the growing Russian dominance in the East, decides to meddle in affairs and causes several scandals, maybe even funding the Chinese Revolution.
Meanwhile, back in Eastern Europe, a succession crisis is breaking out in Greece. The King has died with no heir and the Russians are backing one candidate, the Nordreich another, and Europa the third. This triggers massive unrest and civil war in Greece, leading to an undeclared conflict between Europa, the League, and the Reich.
In western Europe, Louis Napoleon II, now in his 60s, quietly agrees to a secret treaty with the Reich. Holland will finally break free of Europa and will allow Reich troops to operate within its borders.
Back in America, Imperial holdings know Custer is planning for the outbreak of war and fortify like crazy. However, in the event of hostilities, most armies are still fielding unwieldy columns and lines, just like decades before (think France beginning WWI but it's everyone).
When war finally breaks out, likely over an incident in Greece, Europa and the League of Tsars are the first factions to go at it. In a surprise move after massive casualties both ways, Holland announces it is pulling out of the Continental Alliance and ejects Europan troops overnight. This infuriates Caesar who immediately turns around and invades. Now fighting on two fronts, the Rheinbund quickly falls under Nordreich control, followed by Holland. Persuaded by its neighbor's growing victories, Sweden rallies to the Reich and announces Bonapartists control over the North has gone. Denmark timidly backs Caesar, but Swedish troops come crashing in.
With Europa vastly weakened and its forces lined up for an offensive, the Union enters the war. Glory hallelujah.
Let me know your thoughts guys! I wrote this at work. Lol I'll try to answer other stuff as soon as I get off.
So I have decided to hold off on the baseball chapter until after the Great War. I feel like the sport wouldn't truly be a phenomenon and come into its own until post-war. So basically next chapter is a prelude to war.
Here are some ideas:
The Qing emperor is assassinated circa 1910 and a republic is proclaimed in China. As monarchists are killed in China French Revolution style, this worries Czarkhan Vik, who offers to take his old enemies in. He offers to install the boy Puyi as Emperor again and fight the revolutionaries. In exchange, Puyi will basically be a puppet and will join a defensive pact against Persia and Holy Nippon. Europa, disliking the growing Russian dominance in the East, decides to meddle in affairs and causes several scandals, maybe even funding the Chinese Revolution.
Meanwhile, back in Eastern Europe, a succession crisis is breaking out in Greece. The King has died with no heir and the Russians are backing one candidate, the Nordreich another, and Europa the third. This triggers massive unrest and civil war in Greece, leading to an undeclared conflict between Europa, the League, and the Reich.
In western Europe, Louis Napoleon II, now in his 60s, quietly agrees to a secret treaty with the Reich. Holland will finally break free of Europa and will allow Reich troops to operate within its borders.
Back in America, Imperial holdings know Custer is planning for the outbreak of war and fortify like crazy. However, in the event of hostilities, most armies are still fielding unwieldy columns and lines, just like decades before (think France beginning WWI but it's everyone).
When war finally breaks out, likely over an incident in Greece, Europa and the League of Tsars are the first factions to go at it. In a surprise move after massive casualties both ways, Holland announces it is pulling out of the Continental Alliance and ejects Europan troops overnight. This infuriates Caesar who immediately turns around and invades. Now fighting on two fronts, the Rheinbund quickly falls under Nordreich control, followed by Holland. Persuaded by its neighbor's growing victories, Sweden rallies to the Reich and announces Bonapartists control over the North has gone. Denmark timidly backs Caesar, but Swedish troops come crashing in.
With Europa vastly weakened and its forces lined up for an offensive, the Union enters the war. Glory hallelujah.
Let me know your thoughts guys! I wrote this at work. Lol I'll try to answer other stuff as soon as I get off.
This seems interesting, it means Everyone has a chance of being screwed (even the RU, huzzah)
For China I like the idea of it breaking up during a Revolution with eventually a Chinese Empire in the north with it's capital in Bejing and a Chinese Republic in the South with it's capital in Hong Kong being set up whilst China's allies or neighbors are gobbled up or ally with Europa, Russia and the NordReich.
The Chinese Empire is a tyrannical place ran by the Tsar like Emperor PuYi whilst the Chinese Republic has good ideas and tries to be democratic but is poorly managed and is full of corruption and Gangsters. Neither place really cuts it for there allies who start turning away as the War begins.
Meanwhile Britain could be neutral ground at the start which makes Wales, Scotland and England rich as they profit of the War and become the banks of the War. However eventually they start to pick sides or Britain does a Spain and stays out of the War only to crash later down the road.
Also maybe have the RU stupidly battle Russia and the Imperials at the same time causing them to get a bloody nose (which shocks them as there not used to there enemies putting up much of fight).
The NordReich seeing reason doesn't do much to help the RU sparking resentment for them from the Yankees. Everyone starts getting into a stalemate before long.
Those are my two pence.
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If imma be perfectly honest, obviously far be it from me to tell you how to write your timeline, but please no? I like the idea of China being really strong and ideally I like the idea of it being under the Qing; I think Fight and be Right is the last TL we had where the Qing really do well.
This seems really good, but perhaps I can add a touch to the madness. You said in an earlier update that the Turkish rump is boiling with anger at the Europeans. Perhaps they stage a false flag attack in Greece, framing a Bonapartist sympathizer for the murder of some Russian diplomat. Tsar Viktor goes batshit insane and issues demands so preposterous and sweeping that would make even Napoleon III blanch. When Napoleon IV refuses, Viktor declares war. Napoleon calls on his cousin to honor the alliance, but Louis Napoleon pulls out of the alliance after dragging his feet for a while. This starts of the chain reaction.
The gleeful Turks wait and then leap into the war to retake former Ottoman lands.
For the Union Front, I'm envisioning Fascist thrusts into Canada (from the RU core), New Granada (from the former Mexico), and into China and the Russian far east (with Australian and Japanese forces making the bulk of this). Holy Nippon quickly annexes Korea and outer Manchuria while Australia annexes Formosa, Taiwan, and the Philippines. Mass slaughter results
Worffan101
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I like it, but try to get western and south-central Asia into the chaos too--Iran and Russia rematch AND Turkish quasifascist resurgence AND India imploding into chaos AND the Levant exploding in multiway ethnoreligious insanity. And flesh out South America with some kind of insane multiway war, too!
The RU has the core land (Mississippi watershed, Midwest, Nova Scotia) to make Canada completely indefensible. If CoCaro survives (I doubt it), it'll only be by sucking up to the Union as much as possible.
The RU has the core land (Mississippi watershed, Midwest, Nova Scotia) to make Canada completely indefensible. If CoCaro survives (I doubt it), it'll only be by sucking up to the Union as much as possible.
we need to make south America mad, I feel like they forgotten by it, the same for Canada.
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