"What Madness Is This?" Redux: The Union Forever

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Napoleon53, Sep 13, 2018.

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  1. TheByzantineOttoman Well-Known Member

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    Custer's movement hadn't gain all the support it would by this point. I feel like immediate war could be avoided, but then Teddy Roosevelt or someone else would just seize "President for Life".

    But come to think of it, Teddy Roosevelt as the AFC President life would be awesome. And I feel he'd be more like Lincoln and less like Custer, making the US slightly less shitty.
     
  2. AK47Productions Show me your true form!

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    The recent update mentions that the Union was on the brink and I feel that Custer being made a martyr would be the thing to light the powder keg.

    If there's a recent worlda map as of the recent update I could start today and produce a prototype for the rest of you to look over.
     
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  3. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    *Sees Yankees rebelling and placing Custer as their new dictator*

    *Incites Carolina jingoism and paranoia out of hatred for the Yankees (and for profit/political gain) in true Madness style*

    TONIGHT'S TOP STORY: DAMNYANKEE DEVILS OVERTHROW CLAYWELL, INSTALL GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTER AS "STRONG MAN" TYRANT FOR LIFE! MARXIST FASCIST IMPERIALIST DESPOT CUSTER PLEDGES "TOTAL UNION SUPREMACY," "WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE!" ARE THE AMERICAN ANGLO-SAXON APOSTATE ANIMALS PREPARING TO WAGE WAR ON OUR CAROLINIAN FATHERLAND?

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    HARK THE SOUND!
     
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  4. Calbertbreastpeach "The world is not beautiful, therefore it is."

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    I really really want to like and trust France in this timeline because I trust my fire alarm more then I do the RU but alas there are no heroes in this timeline
     
  5. traveller76 Member

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    I see the US government organization to similar to our USSR/Fascist Germany/Islamic Republic of Iran. You have the MDP with its armed wing of Blueshirts (who probably will be merged into RUMP). The AFFC with its Volunteer troops and then the military. Each faction is balanced against the others and a cunning leader will make sure one faction does not overpower the others. When the leader dies there will be a scramble for power. The industrialists and wealthy will support the MDP in return for government contracts and a compliant workforce.
     
  6. LouisTheGreyFox The Hyperactive Furry Historian Kicked

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    There was no heroes in the original What Madness Is This, there were only villains. Some villains who are bad, and some villains who are more bad.
     
  7. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Yeah, there aren't any good guys. That's why I'm just rooting for Carolina until they do something child-eatingly evil (and maybe even after). They're all evil, greedy, crazy, power hungry bastards, so why not pick your favorite bastard and enjoy the ride? Hark the Sound!
     
  8. AeroTheZealousOne Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint!

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    Relatively sane for a WMiT character, if the speech is taken at more than face value.

    Hello there, Mr. Steele Young Custer! A pleasure to meet you. Sort of.
     
  9. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    As for the RU purging English down to its roots, DocBrown pitched that idea a while back and it was really well thought out and it made sense, but I just can't imagine the Union doing it in the 1800s. Maybe under Steele or Oswald, but Custer I feel has too many other matters to deal with.

    Also, that's a placeholder bit about Steele being adopted. I planned something else, but ran out of time to write it last night. His full origin will get covered soon enough.

    I got rid of Aaron Burr III because it poses too much of a risk to have him against Custer. He'd have to be an absolute sonofabitch to lose when he's the Prophet's son. He had a cool story in 1.0, but I feel it doesn't fit in with the 2.0. Custer will still have many opponents!

    I would think that if A. A. Lincoln had lived, he would have gone down a similar path eventually to the MDP. America is basically destined in this TL (at this point) to either centuries of religious civil wars and fractures... or total fascist theocratic psuedo-socialist ethnostate.

    One of my main ideas for the Council is, since this TL is basically a sad parody of real-life things from America, is include the Council as a nod to the OTL conspiracy theory that a secret society deep state runs the country from the shadows. Since that's considered naughty to do by pretty much everybody, why not have a secret society actually control the Union? I think it's a neat idea.
     
  10. The Congressman Populist Liberty Conservative

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    That's fine. Just wondering.

    Teddy Roosevelt was awesome. I can foresee Custer turning him into a Captain America type figure for the Union - where he insists on going into where the action is and is incorruptible.

    Does the MDP have any big black figures? The only big person so far is Aaron Burr Douglass. People like Booker T. Washington would fit in great, cause the MDP's biggest supporters would probably be Southern Blacks OTL.
     
  11. Calbertbreastpeach "The world is not beautiful, therefore it is."

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    I just found this after a what madness is this google search and it’s frigging dope!

     
  12. raffaele gaggioli Well-Known Member

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    I always immagined thay Egypt was the the closest thing to a "good" great power in 0.1, considering it was just an expansionistic state rather than a genocidal one
     
  13. Wolttaire Well-Known Member

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    no there a few good powers in this world you can’t except this world to be completely crazy it unrealistic there be a few spots of sanity like Iceland or like in our world North Korea is crazy
     
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  14. DocBrown The Master of History

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    Did I hear my name?
     
  15. highwayhoss Intolerant of the Intolerant

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    Fair enough. I would think such a process would take a long time. I think this would be limited to the more blatantly French words anyway.

    The real tragedy of the Velvet Revolution is the fact that the RU has essentially turned its back on the very ideals of the enlightenment; the RU has become an occultist state that glorifies the idea of might makes right.
     
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  16. The Congressman Populist Liberty Conservative

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    Gordon Drummond, what hath you wrought on this world?
     
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  17. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    Whipped this up on my break. Let me know others things I can include in this chapter! So many things will be impacted.

    CHAPTER 42
    THE SOLIDIFICATION

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    President George Armstrong Custer

    The first years of Custer's reign were vicious and full of rapid-fire power-grabs. He was not stupid, and he knew that he had to centralize power and destroy his opponents immediately to prevent a possible civil war. According to the Second Constitution, freshly drafted in early 1882, religious freedom was still guaranteed, although every citizen now had to register which faith or denomination they belonged to. As the AFC Church took absolute control of the country, it experienced the largest growth of members in decades. Rather than list themselves as part of some minority denomination, many Americans just broke down and finally embraced the AFC as the only way forward in society.

    There were still many stubborn and rebellious minority churches who held out under such pressure, such as many of the Baptist churches of the south, who refused to list themselves by religion as they thought it violated their rights. Custer would make a quick example out of them. One the night of June 17, 1882, the Great Raid of Peachtree took place, with Union officials rounding up the members of ten different churches, throwing them into prison wagons, and burning down their churches. This was the work of the Office of Racial and Religious Affairs, a new creation formed from the old Custer's Company mercenaries. Now they served as the secret police. The new "Supreme Marshal" of ORRA was George Washington Dewey, a former sailor during the Great American War, veteran of the Cuba Inferior Uprising, and radical Custer supporter. It was Dewey who took Miller's place as the commander of the Manifest Militias, and it was Dewey who orchestrated Teddy Roosevelt's daring raid to rescue Custer from prison. He was, interestingly, a Vermont native, and he became the first Vermont native to hold high office outside of his own state.

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    George W. Dewey, Supreme Marshal of the Office of Racial and Religious Affairs

    As can be imagined, these events in Peachtree shook the nation, frightening many into falling into line, but hardening some others. But ORRA was ruthless, cracking down wherever insurrection struck. The period of 1882 to 1885 is known as the "Solidification," when Custer and the MDP rounded up and "got rid of" all their immediate adversaries. RUMP, which has somewhat opposed Custer's rise, was completely cleared out in late 1882. On October 31, ORRA performed a series of daring raids on RUMP headquarters across the country, arresting much of RUMP's leadership and its Chief, Josiah Reed, for high treason and plotting against the President. Josiah Reed and thirty other officers were executed by hanging for their crimes, and President Custer put his brother Thomas in as Chief of the Military Police. The Council of Jehovah exerted some control over ORRA, but the President made sure he would have complete dominion over RUMP. The old Blueshirts and volunteer brigades of the Revolution were absorbed into RUMP, for the most part, though many went back to their civilian lives.

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    Thomas Custer as Chief of the Military Police

    The military too saw a massive purge in the officer corps, mostly in the winter of 1882. Several of the generals who opposed Custer and supported Claywell had quickly fled to Mexico and California following Claywell's suicide. Interestingly, Field Marshal Wyatt Jenkins, war hero and supreme commander of the Union Army during the Great American War,, was publicly supportive of Custer and the new government, but decided to retire from the Army and moved to Oregon "for good health and fresh air." What was even more interesting was that none other than former President George McClellan came out of retirement to once again take command. Now field marshal, he set about clearing any dissidents out of the ranks and surprisingly seemed quite eager to work for Custer. Little did anyone realize that Custer did this because he wanted McClellan to be in charge of a future war against Mexico, something which was on the top of his agenda. Custer also made it clear to the army that former Southrons were welcome, but if they ever showed the slightest hint of disloyalty, they would be purged from the ranks. At the same time, Custer increased the pay and greatly improved living conditions in the military, winning him much needed support.

    The civilian world did not survive the Solidification unscathed by any means either. Rather it experienced quite the change. Shockingly, Custer was actually a reformer and hated the entrenched bureaucracy that "bogged down the Union in balderdash and hokum." RUMP went on a massive round-up in New York City, formerly the turf of the biggest organized crime syndicate front in the Union, the New York Port Authority. Among the members arrested for extortion, blackmail, and abuse of government funds was Chester Arthur, the biggest crime boss on the east coast. Custer declared that "No man, no matter his position, will get away with stealing from the taxpaying Betters of the land. Any person who breaks the law will be punished to its fullest extent." Next, Custer came through with giving women full equal rights and suffrage. Though the National Assembly was dissolved and presidential elections over, there were still local and state-wide elections. Women were among the Manifest Destiny Party's most ardent supporters, and many women were among the dead of the Washington Pub Revolt. Now they could file for divorce, inherit property, and enlist in the military's nurse corps and auxiliary corps, serving as messengers and secretaries. This was a calculated move by Custer to make everyone feel as united and useful as possible. He needed women to support him because "If the Anglo-Saxon mother respects the President, she will bring up her precious children to respect the President. And America shall be stronger each and every generation because of her."

    One group that did not feel united or useful (though Custer cared little) were the Inferiors. Inferiors now had to really watch themselves. Ghettos became no-go zones, where only RUMP could go in and face the Irish, Slavic, and Spanish Inferiors. Custer made it very clear they were no longer even citizens. They were now "residents" and subject to further dehumanization. RUMP and ORRA officers would routinely go into Inferior neighborhoods with a high crime rate, grab the first young men they could get their hands on, and then they would hang them on the gaslights in the street for all to see.
     
  18. The Congressman Populist Liberty Conservative

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    Rather smooth transition for Custer so far, but his party is behind him. I wonder if he'll end up taking on the Council of Jehovah, or will that be left up to Steele. It would be kinda poetic for the Council to end up truncated and purged after Everett's death and until Billy Graham comes to power.

    Are there any big Southern MDP members? Vermont is getting integrated, and you said Robert E. Lee was becoming an advocate of the restoration following Virginia's surrender
     
  19. Calbertbreastpeach "The world is not beautiful, therefore it is."

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    I wonder what Canada’s like this time of year
     
  20. raffaele gaggioli Well-Known Member

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    Am i the only one who hopes that Custer will get killed during an ambush by a group of Inferiors in this version ?
    This way we get both an Allohistorical Allusion and the RU becoming even more batsh*t insane
     
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