"What Madness Is This?" Redux: The Union Forever

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Napoleon53, Sep 13, 2018.

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  1. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if Russia is going to go the way of WMIT 1.0 and just start gobbling up all the Muslim states and leave Europe mostly to itself. I rather like the idea that while Russia isn’t as great a player on the world stage as the Soviet Union was otl, it’s still on of those weird not-ally/not-enemy doing their own weirdness that you can never really take your eye off for too long
     
  2. Darksider166 Well-Known Member

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    I agree that a Russia less involved with European affairs and more focused on Asia and Middle-east is more interesting, but honestly given that their is a Illuminist Scare in Europe and Russia is allied with several states in Europe like East Germany, it seems a major war in the east is inevitable. I will disagree however on Russia just gobbling up all the muslim states. That was one of the most ASB moments in WMiT 1.0, the sheer monstrosity Russia was by the 2000s in that TL was just silly, if Russia got that big, it'd be public enemy #1 globally especially after annexing Iran.

    Just the fact that it was ignored mostly was implausible and made it seem like a convenient way to get rid of nations and fill in as much of the globe as possible so we wouldn't have to worry or write about them anymore. "Hey what about Afghan-oh it's Russia now." "Or what about Iran- oh Russia again".

    Edit: for context, here is a map of the world in 1.0's 1960 tell me that Russia could be this big with nobody caring really.

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  3. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    Russia eating everything was pretty ASB and was more just pondering if that nonsense was going to make a repeat rather then longing for it to return.

    Part of the reason I’m hoping Russia doesn’t get involved in Europe is because I worry doing so will just make the world of WMIT feel too similar to otl with the world divided between America and Europe with France squeezed into irrelevancy. I think the best we can hope for is a “Socialism Illuminism in one country” style leader to rise to power and let the Western world burn itself to death white they perfect making every man a god....until some idiot goes and forces their hand
     
  4. Darksider166 Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of Illuminism, I wouldn't mind having a chapter or two before we really focus on the wars to come to see how life is like in Illuminist Europe. We got plenty on America (which is the focus I know) and some on Europa but not really anything from Illuminist Russia. I think it's best we get to finally see what life is like on all 3 sides before they fully clash.
     
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  5. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    Would be kind of hilarious if Illuminist Russia, the boogy man of the RU and Europa, turned out to be one of the nicer places to live.

    “Yeah, their method of atheism enforcement might be a bit dickish but on the upside, no one is trying to liquidate you and your community because of your genes. Yeah, The illuminati party may be the only legal party allowed to hold office but they have many internal factions you can vote for in your local council. Yeah food price are heavily controlled but it’s only not packed with brain damaging drugs”
     
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  6. kaizerfox Well-Known Member

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    This. I really want a chapter on Illuminism or Illuminist Russia, Poland and/or Germany because we really don't know anything about Illuminism other than "It's the Enlightenment on steroids and it hates all religion but still has spiritual elements in it". The only reason I'm not rooting for these guys yet is because I don't know enough about them yet. Until we learn more I'll be cheering for my fellow Carolinians and the fascists.

    *Quickly hides Ancestry.com results that show over 10% Irish heritage*
     
  7. Darksider166 Well-Known Member

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    Just say its uh Scots-Irish, if it worked for Woodrow Wilson it could work for you...maybe..maybe not.
     
  8. kaizerfox Well-Known Member

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    ORRA soldier: "It says here your ancestry test has over 10% Irish heritage. Care to explain this Infee?

    Me: Uhhh... It's Scot-Irish ancestry?

    ORRA soldier: Hmmm.... Ok move along. Welcome to the RU fellow Pinnacle M- Wait what is this Loomie propaganda doing in your suitcase!?!

    Me: http://gph.is/2cNkOp8 *sweats nervously*
     
  9. Zoidberg12 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Darksider666, I’d love to see a chapter on Illuminism and more on what’s going on in the Illuminist nations.

    speaking of Russian expansionism, I could see Illuminist Russia taking over some nations near its borders like Finland, Georgia, Armenia, Turkey, Afghanistan and Korea. However, I can’t see Russia expanded into more larger and powerful nations like the Persian Empire.

    What’s also interest is that in Madness 1.0 Persia was a weak backwater, whereas in this version it’s a major regional power.
     
  10. kaizerfox Well-Known Member

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    I just realized something. Does the RU have Gingers? (As in people with reddish/orange color hair.) Is having Ginger hair mark you as having Irish (Infee) genes or does the RU consider it a mark of "Anglo-Saxon/Teutonic/Scandinavian Pinnacle fluids"?

    *Desperately shaves ginger-beard to be on the safe side*
     
  11. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    I could see gingers being the butt of jokes like the OTL joke I've heard that gingers have no souls (oddly pertinent to TTL) but as long as one is of Scotch or English or other Better origin, you should be safe
     
  12. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    For all we know, they might have some obsession with S P E E D and are essentially the unholy lovechild of radical Enlightenment thought and Italian Futurism/Red Flood's Accelerationism.
     
  13. Christory Well-Known Member

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    Russia in WMIT 1.0: *violently conquers half of Eurasia*
    Everyone else: Oh ok

    Russia IRL: *reunites with a tiny bit of majority-Russian territory*
    Everyone else: Wait, that's illegal
     
  14. Nivek Mental Anime,Videogames,Football And Baseball Fan

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    Use a tartan and you will be safe
     
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  15. FranzAncheNo Citizen of the Republic of Pistoia

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    And 'cause Napo said they believe in sorcery, their form of government is basically "mob rule" and are church-arsonists that will kill someone only for holding a different opinion about religion.
     
  16. Darth Fearg Sith Lord

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    I may be considered an Infee, but this timeline has to be the greatest I've ever read. Any tips on how to write a scenario like this?
     
  17. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

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    I'd say if you're using a lot of parallelism find colorful characters OTL that you can either invert for shock value or who have negative qualities you can ratchet up. The real trick (that this TL nails in my opinion) is to counterbalance the seriousness with black comedy. If it's done poorly it can turn your TL into a farce but if used properly it can keep a solid dystopian story from tipping over into soul crushing bleakness.
     
  18. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    I second Born In The USSA's comments. Scenarios like WMIT work because it knows it's silly but runs with that instead of trying to justify anything or claim it's anything but fun. There are many scenarios that try to take a ridiculous concept and play them as completely straight serious stories and thus fall flat. Others just become so ridiculous that it becomes cringe comedy. The original WMIT had its weaknesses but the Redux had allowed Napo to polish those flaws and create a truly amazing experience, winking knowling at it's audience the whole way
     
  19. LostInNewDelhi Anarcho-Shaivist

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    Write about something you got a real passion for/personal connection to, or if the main story thread isn't about something like that then integrate it along the way. And remember that the interactions between characters can do more than just move the plot forward, they can be entertaining in their own right.
     
  20. Atomicpunk0 Well-Known Member

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    Oooooh, now that would be interesting.

    Imagine the Fascists turning on one another and ending up on different sides of the next world war. Potentially a cold war between alliances dominated by fascists versus another dominated by fascists; you know as part of the madness flavor.
     
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