"What Madness Is This?" Redux: The Union Forever

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Napoleon53, Sep 13, 2018.

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  1. Ismaili777 Well-Known Member

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    I still see the cars and architectural aesthetics looking like the 50s, and kinda struck there, as expressionism and individualism will be seen as unchristian and unamerican.
     
  2. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    I was gonna be super active today, but while running errands my '65 had vapor lock and that was fun. It was hotter than Satan's handbag today.

    I'm off two days starting day after tomorrow (the 11th), so I hope to respond to everything tomorrow night and hopefully have a new chapter up by day after! Also, I still need to edit the college list to be more readable. Also, Harvard is getting deleted. I'm deciding it's going to have burned in 1812.
     
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    Honestly, though, the Union is ironically pretty expressionist in some ways. The gaudier the better. Like how Union officials parade around in fantasy uniforms they designed themselves. I always intended that to be a reference to Custer OTL and his love of violating dress standards because, darnit, he's Custer and he's gonna wear a buckskin tuxedo. It's also a little thing to get people to stay in line. "I can be as unique and flashy as I want as long as I tow the line."

    So less:

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    And more:

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    Basically, eternal 70s.
     
  4. dakkafex Fedaykin Death Archivist

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    this is turning out even more dystopian than I thought
     
  5. LostInNewDelhi Anarcho-Shaivist

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    while do love the 70s since its a period that is not used often, I feel the way to keep the 50s look and the 70s look is by having this 70s clothing being what people from the 50s think 70s clothing would look like, not only will it look gaudier but it will still have a connection to the ultra leave it to bever 50s look of this timeline.
     
  7. LostInNewDelhi Anarcho-Shaivist

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    A humble request: when the RU's nuclear program comes around, it should be called the Knuckleball Project.

    "When I throws it, when I throws it..."
     
  8. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    Free Love replaced by FREE HATE!!!
     
  9. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    I actually like the name from Classic:

    The Peacemaker Program

    Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be the children of God
     
  10. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Also, since Napo mentioned that a lot of NUSA is kinda going to be an unending 1970's, I present you with this:

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    Richard M. Nixon shows his support for his hard hat clad paramilitaries as they crush supporters of his opponent, Walter Mondale
     
  11. 245 Well-Known Member

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    it's great that having an unending 70s, I'm going to miss the unending 50s of the previous timeline.
     
  12. LostInNewDelhi Anarcho-Shaivist

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    See, I'm not so sure. As crazy as some sections of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto are, one quote that always stuck out to me was:

    "The system couldn’t care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a “responsible” parent, is nonviolent and so forth."

    Kaczynski puts this in the "those crazy leftists" section, but broadly speaking it's hard to find an industrial society, left or right leaning, for which this doesn't hold true. Although we're quite used to the 1930s/40s model of a dictatorship with defined aesthetic choices that lead to a "national" style of architecture/clothing, the PRC (the richest authoriarian country extant today) has not had any such tendencies for many decades. Chinese pop culture remains a dizzying mess of worldwide and homegrown influences, with everything from PLA choir music to Hong Kong movie soundtracks to Chengdu hip-hop having some audience somewhere.

    I think it would be more fitting, more darkly American, for the Republican Union to not really care about your little rebellions (wearing wacky clothes, listening to that "swank" nonsense, being an African-American) so long as you don't become an actual subversive. This tendency might initially be born out of expediency, but I can see it stick around as a way to make the RU seem like a more dynamic society (after all, for glorious America to be less artistic than Infeeland would be quite the travesty!) and because it encourages middle-class social climbers to keep on spending. Of course, once the comfortable supremacy of the urban Philadelphia elite breaks down and outsiders like Graham start grasping for power, I can see this laissez-faire attitude giving way to... I don't know, executing people in the streets for the high crime of wearing sequined shirts.

    Quite true. But I'll advocate for Knuckleball to at least be the name of a single bomb, because it's hardly any less jarringly cheery than "Little Boy" or "Fat Man." Plus I feel like the RU's always been really cheery about its own crimes ("Infee Blight", calling Mexicans "Mexies"), maybe to avoid accidentally feeling pity for the victims.
     
  13. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    *static crackling*

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    Ok, now that that's out of the way, in the Expanded Universe Thread I have created a contest where you can vote on your favorite WMIT Redux Fascists for the title of Real Pinnacle Man. It's been up for a few days but advertising it here slipped my mind, lol. Voting will end for the first round Monday, and I encourage all of you to vote for the Fascist characters you find toughest/most entertaining/compelling/whatever. All Hail, and may the strongest Fluids win!
     
  14. Ismaili777 Well-Known Member

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    See I must respectfully disagree. The PRC has been able to prove pragmatic, ever since Mao and the Gang of Four for the most part, but the RU is no type of such regime. In my opinion, the RU is akin more to IRI than PRC. It’s a theocracy in essence, and theocracies aren’t simply political dictatorships but cultural ones as well (normally). Normally I would see your point and maybe the political elite might tolerate changes, but not so much the Fundamentalist Church. Although great analysis.
    Edit: Although I agree with you’re general point and I think they will be willing to be flexible to further their own ends.
     
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    I think there will be public conformity with creativity channeled into sports and business. Privately there may be all sorts of gentlemen's and women's clubs, secret societies, fraternities and sororities and professional groups with various ideas and behaviors.
     
  16. SargentHawk Nixon Now, More Than Ever

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    Richard Dawson, hosting American Gladiators.... with real combat...
     
  17. Ismaili777 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what Republican Union uniforms would look like?
    I don't think they will stick to the "soldiers gotta look friendly" rule.
     
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    One of Dawson's roles was as Damon Killian, the host of the titular TV show in The Running Man (1), so this makes sense...

    (1) Wouldn't it be funny of one of the gladiators was a young Arnold (oh, God, I just gave @Napoleon53 an idea, didn't I?)...
     
  19. SargentHawk Nixon Now, More Than Ever

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    Wonder if he'd kiss the female gladiators (he had the habit of doing that with female guests on the show, IIRC; boy, would he be in trouble for that today, IMO) while greeting them...
     
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