"What Madness Is This?" Redux: The Union Forever

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Napoleon53, Sep 13, 2018.

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  1. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    Around 37 was my count as well.

    As for French power: The war isn't over. Mark my words. I have surprises yet in store no one has an idea I'm planning. Just wait. ;) Caesar is to blame for almost everything. That's all I'll say for now.
     
  2. Warpath Disciple of the Machine God

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    So what you're saying is that there's a high chance that Caesar is going to end up just like his namesake. Only this time instead of Roman senators with daggers, its French military officers with sabers.
     
  3. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

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    Beware the Ides of March! (but in French)
     
  4. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    Beware the marching on the Ides
     
  5. halfcoop Well-Known Member

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    Napoleon IV is this worlds version of Napoleon III
     
  6. DocBrown The Master of History

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    There's 35 states and 4 territories.
     
  7. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

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    That's what I figured, that North America map is super handy
     
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  8. John Spangler A man of wealth and taste

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    You damn tease!
     
  9. StealthyMarat In the heavy thoughts. Gone Fishin'

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    French Century is over
     
  10. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

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    It's about damn time! HAIL CUSTER, THE PINNACLE MAN REBORN!
     
  11. StealthyMarat In the heavy thoughts. Gone Fishin'

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    Also, who is leading RU in a ITTL analogue of POTUS seat?
     
  12. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    Just a quick notice that I won't be on much for a couple days. I have my 1965 Galaxie 500 I've been restoring. It belonged to a WWI doughboy first lieutenant originally. It's rad. Well yesterday morning I spent almost 500 dollars on a new windshield. Last night, my radiator detonated. I'm working open-to-close overtime shifts for a couple days to bring in the money I need to pay for repairs. Lol Say a prayer. I'll still try to respond to a few comments tonight though if I have my sanity still after being in Walgreens for 15 hours at a time.
     
  13. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Stay strong, Napo!
     
  14. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    That sucks ass and I’m sore you gotta deal with that. Good luck and stay strong, Napo
    *salutes from the Emerald Isle*

    (I could make a joke about St Patrick punishing you for your torturing the Irish but I won’t)
     
  15. Diagram Well-Known Member

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    I hope that this will be explained in a latter post, like the idea that Europa is 'liberal' I get the impression that we missed some important cultural developments, not like that is particularly bad as only so much can be written down in a manner that keeps the whole thing reasonable.

    Excellent, with such massive populations and a technological level that favours defence, this is a war that will likely last years. Europa being forced to retreat initially as its world empire starts being ripped away isn't unrealistic if certain factors are active, the Soviet Union after all had to retreat right back to Moscow even though Germany arguably lost the war at Smolensk or even earlier.

    What we have seen so far is Europa losing almost every peripheral territory that was a drain on resources or at least had to be defended. Now the loss of the Danubian basin hurt, but the rest of the Catholic core is largely intact, especially the crucial imperial core territory of the Rhine-Ruhr.
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    The problem I have is that I didn't and still don't know how exactly the Caesar is screwing everything up, maybe I missed something but the only specific thing that comes to mind is him ignoring Quebec which can be interpreted as a Leninist tactic to make sure that the important battle is won, (tough luck Finnish communists). Wasn't this Caesar the same one that killed his father for being a wimp and was single-handedly running the Empire, and doing a good job of it too?

    The way this war was presented gave me the strong impression that the Prussians and Russians will win because they are badasses and all the Catholics will forget that the House of Bonaparte-Hapsburg retook the Holy Land, so that the Latin's can be pushed into the gas chambers as they where too dumb to remember what happened to Mexico.

    I suppose a deeper issue it that the tone of this work can be sometimes rather off, would a French warlord chosen by the Caesar, in a world where colonialism is even more brutal, where genocide is casual, where the mid 19th century saw a literal crusade against the Muslims, resemble poor old Perrault? Unlike say this sort of chap? Considering the sort of cultural developments that would that would be occurring in this world I am rather surprised that Perrault didn't challenge the guy who stole his wife to a duel, maybe he could be killed during it as a part of Fascist Keikaku.
     
  16. FranzAncheNo Citizen of the Republic of Pistoia

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    There's a chance for the Seven Heads to stand for the seven hills of Rome and for the dragon to stand for the RE during the first persecutions of Christians, so I think Milo Miles could have done a better job in this sermon.
     
  17. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    They're careful how they portray the RE though. Miles and the RU have a massive Roman fetish. They'd be careful to stray away from criticising the proper pre-barbarian RE.
     
  18. Diagram Well-Known Member

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    This is a bit off topic, but reading about the Algiers putsch reminded me of For All Time and how inherently dictatorial the names in that TL where: Darlan, Challe, Salan. Lovely bunch.

    So how do they describe Rome in historical terms, say in schools? I would image that they would have a Caesar's Legion style blindness in that they would ignore the fact that Rome was an extremely brittle society which suffered from an endless cascade of civil wars and insurrections, surviving through stubbornness, reform and not a small amount of luck.
     
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  19. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    And it all ends with state-sanctioned cannibalism.
     
  20. FranzAncheNo Citizen of the Republic of Pistoia

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    Okay, I thought they would only consider the Republic, Caesar's dictatorship and the Principate as examples of virtue.
    Thanks for the clarification.
     
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