Denkin was a benign autocrat. He didn’t share the anti Semitic ideas, of some of his underlings. He was no saint, but further along than the remainder.
What kind of government would Russia have if the Whites won the Civil War
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Not really. He's been voted for people so that doesn't make him a "dictator".
I think White Russia would lead to a fascist state, but many things would be similar to OTL. While the Orthodox Church and emphasis on ethnic Russian nationalism would be quite contrary to a Red Russia, the fact of the matter is that rapid industrialization of Russia would have been necessary for those who wished to expand Russia's influence. Mass repressions, industrializations, and cult of personality would all be in place. But the Church would be a lot more aligned with the state.
Diplomatically a White Russia would not be isolated as outside powers wanted them to win and not the Communists. But fears of a modern Russian superpower across Eurasia would end up leading to much resistance later on. This would only reinforce the mass industrialization in Russia, as fears of incoming conflict would be at an all time high.
Many things would differ from the Soviet era, but many things may have been similar.
Diplomatically a White Russia would not be isolated as outside powers wanted them to win and not the Communists. But fears of a modern Russian superpower across Eurasia would end up leading to much resistance later on. This would only reinforce the mass industrialization in Russia, as fears of incoming conflict would be at an all time high.
Many things would differ from the Soviet era, but many things may have been similar.
Most Dictators going back to Caesar have some sort of popular election. What separates an extremely powerful elected leader (like the US presidency) from a dictator is how free and fair the election is.
samcster94
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One side is seen as God(a twisted racist pseudo religion's god under a personality cult) and voting against him is seen as treason.
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This is why I raised the question of independent ethnic nations broken away. Even the highly disciplined Communists failed and had to put up with five formerly Czarist nations on their borders. In most scenarios a White government is going to be less successful & we'd see several other breakaway nations. Urkraine, White Russia, Georgia, Armenia, Usbekistan, Kazakistan, are all candidates depending on how weak the 'Russian' government is. Its even possible a Japanese protectorate in the east runs on into the 1920s.
This has large implications economically and politically as the 1920s unspool into the 30s. A crowd of Facist states, oligarchial republics, & the occasional Socialist dictatorship, monarchy, or rare democracy is going to create a infinitely politically complex and 'interesting history of the post 1920 20th Century. France, Germany, Britain, Japan, US & whatnot will all be poking about with schemes for Ententes, trade alignments, defense treaties, protectorates, assistance, & machinations difficult to label.
Hitler was Freemason and so was Stalin. Even if White Russians won, Hitler would've still risen to power since he was supported by Freemason elite.
samcster94
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What would he do if he was in power???? It'd be ironic if Russia fell to a "Slavic pseudo fascism" and Germany went Communist at some point.
He wanted to focus on industralisation, and keeping Poland and Russia United. He was a old line conservative who was personally honest, but sorounded by warlords and crooks.
That's not true at all. Hitler hated the Freemasons with a burning passion. To quote Mein Kampf: "To strengthen his [i.e., the Jew's] political position, he tries to tear down the racial and civil barriers which for a time continue to restrain him at every step. To this end he fights with all the tenacity innate in him for religious tolerance—and in Freemasonry, which has succumbed to him completely, he has an excellent instrument with which to fight for his aims and put them across. The governing circles and the higher strata of the political and economic bourgeoisie are brought into his nets by the strings of Freemasonry, and never need to suspect what is happening." Once in power the Nazis banned Freemasonry in every country they occupied, and 80,000-200,000 Freemasons were killed by the Reich (although Freemasonry wasn't the sole reason many of these people were arrested).
Stalin also wasn't a Freemason. In order to join the Freemasons one must profess belief in a "Supreme Being" (although Freemasonry is nondenominational). Stalin was an atheist, so he would be ineligible for membership. The Bolsheviks also shut down all Freemason lodges following the October Revolution, and it wasn't until the fall of the Soviet Union that Masons could legally operate in Russia.
kernals12
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There've been more than a few "Communist Germany Fascist Russia" scenarios in this forum
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Yeah, the Jewish-Bolshevik propaganda didn't start with the Nazis, they actually were influenced by the White Russian narratives.
kernals12
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There was extreme antisemitism amongst the ranks of the Whites. Their pogroms killed 50,000 people in what was known as the "White Terror". I think we'd get a Holocaust out of this.