Speaking post 11 November 1918, Germany could theoretically get the following territories, although many of them would be ASB:
1. Latvia, via the Baltic Freikorps under von der Goltz, and later under Bermondt-Avalov. Under some kind of PoD, things could take a different turn with Latvia under a Baltic German or White Russian dictatorship, to the point of Germans who fought in Latvia receiving citizenship after the fact.
2. Estonia, as above, Estonia was never particularly at threat IOTL.
3. Lithuania, as above, Bermondt-Avalov had to fight his way out via Lithuania to escape Latvia after defeat.
4. Crimea, many White Russians and German officers were part of Wrangel's 75,000 strong forces in the area sometime around October 1920 by the direct involvement of Scheubner-Richter and his Aufbau organisation. The entirety of Ukraine is impossible, but Crimea itself might be possible, it'd be in defiance of the French, but it wouldn't cause a war and there's frankly nothing they could do if Crimea held out.
5. Galicia, Wilhelm von Habsburg, or Vasily Vyshivannyi, and his associates paid Scheubner-Richter and his Aufbau organisation in summer 1921 to create a Ukrainian state out of Galicia. Aufbau would pay for soldiers in Berlin, they'd go to Bavaria, armed and saddled, and would make their way in as forest wardens. It was too little too late for such a plot though, but if it were timed as part of the Polish-Soviet war and given some luck, it's theoretically possible, and a direct border between Germany and Galicia by Silesia means it could be kept an independent state.
6. Hungary, Karl von Habsburg wanted to retake his throne, and failed twice to do so. Success could effectively alienate it from its neighbours and France, and turn it to a German or Italian orbit earlier, assuming they don't get invaded. This matters not so much for getting Hungary directly, but rather to get both Hungary and Austria in a later Anschluss under a dual crown.
7. Eupen-Malmedy, bought from Belgium.
8. Rhineland, no not via marching troops in, but perhaps by using Polish Military Organisation tactics to carry out terrorist actions against the French in the region up until the Dawes Plan comes about. I don't see it getting the territory now, but it'd give France a bloody nose.
For the Nazis:
9. Saar, per OTL referendum.
10. Rhineland, per OTL military action.
11. Austria, per OTL invasion and referendum, although Hungary can also be digested in the same move, and all territory the Hungarians got IOTL post Anschluss would also be German.
12. The Corridor, this is purely my own speculation, but I suspect a 99 year lease of the former German territories is possible. Create a seperate governing body out of Danzig, the land leased to Poland for 99 years, and both Germany and Poland invest into the infrastructure in the area, with the territory demilitarised on both sides. Effectively a compleye political and economic victory for Poland and a capitulation for Germany, but it gives Germany the means to build up the corridor for an Eastern invasion and helps stave off economic collapse a little bit. Also include a non-aggression pact for 20 years. Finally, include Molotov-Ribbentrop style divisions of Czechoslovakia and Lithuania.
13. Sudetenland, per OTL terrorist action. Germany is now bound to respect the territorial integrity of Bohemia and Slovakia.
14. Memel, per OTL ultimatum.
For Poland:
15. Lithuania, invaded by Poland in a bloodless conflict, though it would be largely dependent on imports from Memel through Germany still anyway.
16. Slovakia, as above.
17. Bohemia, as above, although it is critical that Germany takes Bohemian Gold before Poland reaches it. These were all basically free territories for Poland.
Back to Germany:
18. Poland, with Poland effectively drawing the ire of the West with the above invasions, and stretched out to its North and South, Germany should now be free to digest the Poland it fed in one war, claiming all these states for itself, "restoring" their independence but really bringing them under their sphere permenantly. It'd give Germany their first real conflict. Edit: Remember that 99 year lease. Germany sure doesn't.
That's about it for land, a war can be conducted against the Soviets as part of intervention on the behalf of Finland should they decide to try, but I doubt Stalin would be willing to do so without Germany also being at war with "the West".
There are many allies the Germans could get besides OTL, Brazil has two generals who are sympathetic to the Nazi regime, Argentina could see a coup in 1936, Bolivia can be influenced by sending experts to the Busch regime in 1938, etc.
1. Latvia, via the Baltic Freikorps under von der Goltz, and later under Bermondt-Avalov. Under some kind of PoD, things could take a different turn with Latvia under a Baltic German or White Russian dictatorship, to the point of Germans who fought in Latvia receiving citizenship after the fact.
2. Estonia, as above, Estonia was never particularly at threat IOTL.
3. Lithuania, as above, Bermondt-Avalov had to fight his way out via Lithuania to escape Latvia after defeat.
4. Crimea, many White Russians and German officers were part of Wrangel's 75,000 strong forces in the area sometime around October 1920 by the direct involvement of Scheubner-Richter and his Aufbau organisation. The entirety of Ukraine is impossible, but Crimea itself might be possible, it'd be in defiance of the French, but it wouldn't cause a war and there's frankly nothing they could do if Crimea held out.
5. Galicia, Wilhelm von Habsburg, or Vasily Vyshivannyi, and his associates paid Scheubner-Richter and his Aufbau organisation in summer 1921 to create a Ukrainian state out of Galicia. Aufbau would pay for soldiers in Berlin, they'd go to Bavaria, armed and saddled, and would make their way in as forest wardens. It was too little too late for such a plot though, but if it were timed as part of the Polish-Soviet war and given some luck, it's theoretically possible, and a direct border between Germany and Galicia by Silesia means it could be kept an independent state.
6. Hungary, Karl von Habsburg wanted to retake his throne, and failed twice to do so. Success could effectively alienate it from its neighbours and France, and turn it to a German or Italian orbit earlier, assuming they don't get invaded. This matters not so much for getting Hungary directly, but rather to get both Hungary and Austria in a later Anschluss under a dual crown.
7. Eupen-Malmedy, bought from Belgium.
8. Rhineland, no not via marching troops in, but perhaps by using Polish Military Organisation tactics to carry out terrorist actions against the French in the region up until the Dawes Plan comes about. I don't see it getting the territory now, but it'd give France a bloody nose.
For the Nazis:
9. Saar, per OTL referendum.
10. Rhineland, per OTL military action.
11. Austria, per OTL invasion and referendum, although Hungary can also be digested in the same move, and all territory the Hungarians got IOTL post Anschluss would also be German.
12. The Corridor, this is purely my own speculation, but I suspect a 99 year lease of the former German territories is possible. Create a seperate governing body out of Danzig, the land leased to Poland for 99 years, and both Germany and Poland invest into the infrastructure in the area, with the territory demilitarised on both sides. Effectively a compleye political and economic victory for Poland and a capitulation for Germany, but it gives Germany the means to build up the corridor for an Eastern invasion and helps stave off economic collapse a little bit. Also include a non-aggression pact for 20 years. Finally, include Molotov-Ribbentrop style divisions of Czechoslovakia and Lithuania.
13. Sudetenland, per OTL terrorist action. Germany is now bound to respect the territorial integrity of Bohemia and Slovakia.
14. Memel, per OTL ultimatum.
For Poland:
15. Lithuania, invaded by Poland in a bloodless conflict, though it would be largely dependent on imports from Memel through Germany still anyway.
16. Slovakia, as above.
17. Bohemia, as above, although it is critical that Germany takes Bohemian Gold before Poland reaches it. These were all basically free territories for Poland.
Back to Germany:
18. Poland, with Poland effectively drawing the ire of the West with the above invasions, and stretched out to its North and South, Germany should now be free to digest the Poland it fed in one war, claiming all these states for itself, "restoring" their independence but really bringing them under their sphere permenantly. It'd give Germany their first real conflict. Edit: Remember that 99 year lease. Germany sure doesn't.
That's about it for land, a war can be conducted against the Soviets as part of intervention on the behalf of Finland should they decide to try, but I doubt Stalin would be willing to do so without Germany also being at war with "the West".
There are many allies the Germans could get besides OTL, Brazil has two generals who are sympathetic to the Nazi regime, Argentina could see a coup in 1936, Bolivia can be influenced by sending experts to the Busch regime in 1938, etc.
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