What is the 2011 Riots in England continued ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

The riots last August were quite unprecidented, nobody could have imagined how much things would have got out of hand, people being forced to barricade their homes and jump to the street from burning buildings and such things.

After 4 days it calmed down, largely (imo) to heavy rainfall starting across much of the country.

Lets assume that it dosnt rain much if at all for the next week or so, and calls for riots in Glasgow and Coventry are headed. (IRL the riots were called for on facebook but the instigators were arrested and nothing kicked off there). Will there be chaos nationwide ?

London would have calmed down with the huge police presense but places like Manchester, Preston, Birmingham and Northampton would be at risk ?

Does Cameron deploy the army and declare a state of emergency ? i think there was some discussion in cabinet about that, or at least media rumours and hype.
 

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The reasons for the riots will continue to be ignored and the rioters will continue to be dismissed as kiddies just trying to loot and steal from stores. A few weeks later the police brutally suppress the riots and all is forgotten.
 
London would have calmed down with the huge police presense but places like Manchester, Preston, Birmingham and Northampton would be at risk ?
I had a night out in Preston at the height of the trouble, and there was not even the slightest hint of a riot.

The reasons for the riots will continue to be ignored and the rioters will continue to be dismissed as kiddies just trying to loot and steal from stores. A few weeks later the police brutally suppress the riots and all is forgotten.
The riots were not politically motivated, and attempts to portray them as such are just daft- were these people really complaining about library closures that had yet to take place? Sure, the long term reasons behind them are due to an explosive situation in the inner cities that had been building for decades, and for that, you can blame politics. But the basic trigger for the explosion really was simple violence and greed, not some sort of idealistic political revolution against the comparatively modest programme of Government retrenchment that is even now only just beginning.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

The riots last August were quite unprecidented, nobody could have imagined how much things would have got out of hand, people being forced to barricade their homes and jump to the street from burning buildings and such things.

After 4 days it calmed down, largely (imo) to heavy rainfall starting across much of the country.

Lets assume that it dosnt rain much if at all for the next week or so, and calls for riots in Glasgow and Coventry are headed. (IRL the riots were called for on facebook but the instigators were arrested and nothing kicked off there). Will there be chaos nationwide ?

London would have calmed down with the huge police presense but places like Manchester, Preston, Birmingham and Northampton would be at risk ?

Does Cameron deploy the army and declare a state of emergency ? i think there was some discussion in cabinet about that, or at least media rumours and hype.

Hardly unprecedented. Britain has a long tradition of riots. There was nothing special about this one except that it was more about aggressive shopping than anything else.

Press coverage likes to paint doomsday scenarios and they loved this one.

The army was only discussed because many people had lost faith in the police. The performance of the police was heavily criticized. I'm not sure if heads rolled over it but I wouldn't be surprised if they have.

If the army had been deployed I think most people would have been OK with it. Sympathy for the rioters was minimal and alot of people had lost faith in the ability of the police to deal with things.
 
i just wish they did camilla in

i may be a royalist and that...but i dont want to see the day of Queen Camilla
 
It's funny now thinking back to the riots just how worked up people got. Everyone was suggesting the most severe measures to deal with it (including me) but overall I am happy now that the police didn't really react. I think that's why it died down.
 
i just wish they did camilla in

i may be a royalist and that...but i dont want to see the day of Queen Camilla

So you're basically supporting someone being murdered?

If they had continued the police response would have gotten tougher. Riots in Glasgow are unlikely on the basis that Scots seemed to have decided not to riot because the English were, which is very Scottish. :p
 
It's funny now thinking back to the riots just how worked up people got. Everyone was suggesting the most severe measures to deal with it (including me) but overall I am happy now that the police didn't really react. I think that's why it died down.

I remember reading a poll which stated that a third of the sample we're open to the Police using live ammunition in the most extreme cases. This was even more shocking the Arab Spring was powering ahead at the time. :(

If they had continued the police response would have gotten tougher. Riots in Glasgow are unlikely on the basis that Scots seemed to have decided not to riot because the English were, which is very Scottish. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2kC1jMKZco But they did :D
 
Scotland has never really had the same 'tradition' of rioting that England has had so for the riots to spread to Glasgow would be extreme.

The riots themselves were not in any way political even if the intial excuse was (and it was an excuse). Rather they were about pent up frustration and more than a little very aggressive consumerism. Unfortunately the media doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between riots, violent protest and peaceful protest, grouping them all under the same heading. To be clear I only support the third of these things but I do see a difference between each.

Protest: Protest is political, it is about real or perceived injustice and a desire to effect or prevent change in the system. It can be violent or peaceful.

Rioting: Rioting is not political although it can appear as such. Generally it is about the desire to fight or confront authorities for the sake of it, looting or just plain violence. Protests can spawn riots but generally this is amongst the fringe of a protest who aren't actually interested in the political message of the protest
 
Hardly unprecedented. Britain has a long tradition of riots. There was nothing special about this one except that it was more about aggressive shopping than anything else.

Press coverage likes to paint doomsday scenarios and they loved this one.

The army was only discussed because many people had lost faith in the police. The performance of the police was heavily criticized. I'm not sure if heads rolled over it but I wouldn't be surprised if they have.

If the army had been deployed I think most people would have been OK with it. Sympathy for the rioters was minimal and alot of people had lost faith in the ability of the police to deal with things.

There was something special about the riots on the Monday when the professional criminals moved in. In particular in Croydon peoples homes were torched. The government would have had no alternative but to send in the army if they had continued. Vigilantes would have formed some of which would have been run by the BNP. When government lose control something fills the vacuum

They only got out of hand becuse there were televised scenes of the police standing around doing nothing when looting was taking place. Protest? There was a march last year organised the the TUC against the cuts there was no violence and another on pensions no violence, much to the annoyance of the right wing press and no doubt Cameron's cronies

Poverty? How come there were no riots north of Salford and none in Glasgow or Newcastle and no I don't buy the racist answer in Hackney the Turkish shopkeepers organised viglantes and chased off the rioters, in Birmingham Asian small businessess were on the recieving end. There were black security guards in Hackney who couldn't get to work because their cars were torched.

There would have been martial law or the rise of armwed vigilantes and proection rackeeters
 
2011 riots don't compare to 1911

The riots in 2011 were nothing like those a hundred years earlier in 1911. The 1911 riots were motivated by strong senses of injustice and inequality, which yes also applies in 2011. In 1911 though they had a political focus that was missing in 2011. The 1911 riots grew out of strikes for better pay and conditions.

Look up the Liverpool General Transport Strike of 1911, or after WW1 the Battle of George Square in Glasgow. The government then was worried about revolution - I don't think that applied in 2011 in the slightest.

Something like 60,000 troops were mobilised in 1911, plus naval cruisers sent to Liverpool and Hull. If they had continued then the army would have been really stretched. If we had had to use the army on that level in 2011, it would have been a disaster.

My current timeline deals with this period (plug plug ;))
 
So you're basically supporting someone being murdered?

If they had continued the police response would have gotten tougher. Riots in Glasgow are unlikely on the basis that Scots seemed to have decided not to riot because the English were, which is very Scottish. :p

I'm also a royalist and I don't particuarly want Camilla to become queen, it could have negative repercussions due to the (unjustified) hate she recieves. I think my view is fairly common among royalists in Britain.
 
I was out in Manchester city centre on the night of the first riot in Manchester. People were ringing me frantically to make sure we were safe because on TV to them it looked like the whole city was in flames and law and order had broken down. We didnt even realise we were out in a city on the brink of meltdown till we saw the news the next day. It might be a shock to some people but 24 hour news channels slightly exagerate for ratings sake (okay totally over the top exagerate) outside of some small areas of London and Manchester life went on and NOTHING happened apart from people watching telly got a bit worked up. If that was Britain on the brink of breaking down then we have some way to go before it becomes anything more than localised spilt milk. The Arab Spring it wasnt.
 
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