What is Oswald had not asked for a sweater?

just before he was to begin his trip from the Dallas City Lock Up to the Dallas County Jail, Lee Harvey Oswald asked for a sweater. The five minute delay involved in bringing him the sweater meant that Jack Ruby arrived in time to kill Oswald. What would have happened if Oswald had lived to face trial, and considering the overwhelming amount of evidence, conviction for two counts of murder. The victims being the President of the United States and a Dallas City Police Officer.I think that any smart attorney would advise any client facing such overwhelming evidence to accept a plea bargain. The only option would be life without parole instead of the death penalty. The argument to convince the judge to accept a plea is the difficulty of Oswald getting a fair trail. Of course, since Oswald was charged with violating the Texas murder statute, a local judge would have to make this decision. Then what happens to career of the judge who spared Oswald. Of course that all depends on Oswald accepting the plea.
 
It would be scary if he blamed communists, be it the Soviets, Cubans, Chinese or the American Communist Party.
 
just before he was to begin his trip from the Dallas City Lock Up to the Dallas County Jail, Lee Harvey Oswald asked for a sweater. The five minute delay involved in bringing him the sweater meant that Jack Ruby arrived in time to kill Oswald. What would have happened if Oswald had lived to face trial, and considering the overwhelming amount of evidence, conviction for two counts of murder. The victims being the President of the United States and a Dallas City Police Officer.I think that any smart attorney would advise any client facing such overwhelming evidence to accept a plea bargain. The only option would be life without parole instead of the death penalty. The argument to convince the judge to accept a plea is the difficulty of Oswald getting a fair trail. Of course, since Oswald was charged with violating the Texas murder statute, a local judge would have to make this decision. Then what happens to career of the judge who spared Oswald. Of course that all depends on Oswald accepting the plea.

I predict the Chicago Mob has a back up plan to get rid of him.
 
Oh come on, Someone as intelligent, intellectually curious and well informed enough to be an interested in alternative history actually bought into one of those Kennedy Assassination conspiracy con games! Oh and those magic beans the conspiracy theory people sold you, don´t get your hopes up.
 
just before he was to begin his trip from the Dallas City Lock Up to the Dallas County Jail, Lee Harvey Oswald asked for a sweater. The five minute delay involved in bringing him the sweater meant that Jack Ruby arrived in time to kill Oswald. What would have happened if Oswald had lived to face trial, and considering the overwhelming amount of evidence, conviction for two counts of murder. The victims being the President of the United States and a Dallas City Police Officer.I think that any smart attorney would advise any client facing such overwhelming evidence to accept a plea bargain. The only option would be life without parole instead of the death penalty. The argument to convince the judge to accept a plea is the difficulty of Oswald getting a fair trail. Of course, since Oswald was charged with violating the Texas murder statute, a local judge would have to make this decision. Then what happens to career of the judge who spared Oswald. Of course that all depends on Oswald accepting the plea.

Oswald wouldn't take such a bargain. His entire strategy was to show himself as the most effective and dedicated Communist activist out there. Notice that he denied shooting Kennedy, denied shooting Officer Tippit, denied even owing a rifle or having a pseudonym -- but was bold and forthright about being a Communist.

He would refuse any plea bargain. What's his own life to a dedicated activist? He'd go to trial and speak eloquently (with his lawyers writhing) of how JFK was an Enemy of the People who deserved the Supreme Measure of Punishment -- Rasstrel, Death by Shooting.

The most embarrassed spectators would be the Soviets, who had taken him in and then kicked him out when they got fed up with him. Second most embarrassed would be the liberal activists, who had even before the POD bought into the doctrine, the deeply fully wholeheartedly held belief, that it was Us and Our Eeevil Racism that struck down St. Jack.

Expect even more virulent conspiracy theories.
 
Why do we dwell on grand conspiracy theories? Sure, the appearance of Jack Ruby lends exceptional circumstantial evidence for the involvement of others, but not necessarily the stories about the mob, bought-off cops, etc.

We should accept the fact that Oswald was an expert marksman, mad at the U.S. for giving him a second-tier discharge from the military and mad at the world for the way the Soviets treated him.

Every president since Lincoln lived/lives under a threat. That is why we have a secret service. There will at times be somebody out there who is willing to give up their whole future for the sake of going down in history as killing a president.

An angry, crazed man is not concerned about politics. A man in Oswald's state of mind would have acted against Eisenhower, Nixon or Johnson if the timing was there.
 
Why do we dwell on grand conspiracy theories? Sure, the appearance of Jack Ruby lends exceptional circumstantial evidence for the involvement of others, but not necessarily the stories about the mob, bought-off cops, etc.

We should accept the fact that Oswald was an expert marksman, mad at the U.S. for giving him a second-tier discharge from the military and mad at the world for the way the Soviets treated him.

Every president since Lincoln lived/lives under a threat. That is why we have a secret service. There will at times be somebody out there who is willing to give up their whole future for the sake of going down in history as killing a president.

An angry, crazed man is not concerned about politics. A man in Oswald's state of mind would have acted against Eisenhower, Nixon or Johnson if the timing was there.
If Anything, Even More so in Kennedy's Case; as a Non-Socialist Liberal, he would Have Seemed Like a Traitor to a Communist ...

The Other Thing is, People who Claim The President was Killed by a Trained Assassin, Aren't Really that Far Wrong!

There were Very Few People Alive who could have Even Dreamed about Making Oswald's Shot, And Most of them had Also Passed through The Marines' Sniper School ...

More Damning Still is The Shooter's 2 out of 3 Shot Record, which wasn't Too far off of Oswald's Approximately 80% Accuracy Rate; he NEVER could Hit his First Shot!
 
Oswald wouldn't take such a bargain. His entire strategy was to show himself as the most effective and dedicated Communist activist out there. Notice that he denied shooting Kennedy, denied shooting Officer Tippit, denied even owing a rifle or having a pseudonym -- but was bold and forthright about being a Communist.

He would refuse any plea bargain. What's his own life to a dedicated activist? He'd go to trial and speak eloquently (with his lawyers writhing) of how JFK was an Enemy of the People who deserved the Supreme Measure of Punishment -- Rasstrel, Death by Shooting.

The most embarrassed spectators would be the Soviets, who had taken him in and then kicked him out when they got fed up with him. Second most embarrassed would be the liberal activists, who had even before the POD bought into the doctrine, the deeply fully wholeheartedly held belief, that it was Us and Our Eeevil Racism that struck down St. Jack.

Expect even more virulent conspiracy theories.

Big hole in your arguement there; you admit that Oswald denied shooting Kennedy, then say that he would based his entire defence on claiming that the shooting was justified. Oswald vehemently denied that he had any part in Kennedy's murder, something that is entirely inconsistent with the way most fanatics act after a successful assassination; usually they proudly declare their guilt.

As for the assassination, my biggest objection to the official story has to be the claim that Oswald managed to make three very difficult shots using a battered mail-order rifle with a crooked scope he mounted in his garage when trained Marine snipers using quality weapons couldn't duplicate his feat.
 

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There's no way Lee Harvey Oswald would be offered a plea bargain.

What would be interesting to see is what Lee Harvey Oswald decided to submit as a defense. Would he insist he was innocent while flashing a smile similar to t hat found on all cats after they've had a canary sandwich or would he decide to claim this was some sort of a justifiable homicide.

Considering his mental state, I wouldn't be surprised if he insisted on serving as his own attorney, a la Colin Ferguson the Long Island Rail Road shooter.

I suspect the trial would be turned into a circus and I wouldn't be surprised if we had a long protracted squabble over whether the trial should take place in a state court or a federal court or if he should have two trials, the first for the killing of JFK in a federal court and the second for the killing of the Dallas police officer in a local court.
 
just before he was to begin his trip from the Dallas City Lock Up to the Dallas County Jail, Lee Harvey Oswald asked for a sweater. The five minute delay involved in bringing him the sweater meant that Jack Ruby arrived in time to kill Oswald. What would have happened if Oswald had lived to face trial, and considering the overwhelming amount of evidence, conviction for two counts of murder. The victims being the President of the United States and a Dallas City Police Officer.I think that any smart attorney would advise any client facing such overwhelming evidence to accept a plea bargain. The only option would be life without parole instead of the death penalty. The argument to convince the judge to accept a plea is the difficulty of Oswald getting a fair trail. Of course, since Oswald was charged with violating the Texas murder statute, a local judge would have to make this decision. Then what happens to career of the judge who spared Oswald. Of course that all depends on Oswald accepting the plea.
I Think The REAL Problem, is The Conspiracy Theorists aren't Completely Wrong to Think Oswald had a Target on his Chest ...

The Problem wasn't Simply Ruby; Even After The Assassination The 60s were an Innocent Time of Cheap Guns and Lax Security ...

Every Vigilante in Dallas Wanted a Piece of Oswald, they Felt Like Filling him Full of Lead for Killing Kennedy, Ruby Just got to him First!

:eek:
 
I Think The REAL Problem, is The Conspiracy Theorists aren't Completely Wrong to Think Oswald had a Target on his Chest ...

The Problem wasn't Simply Ruby; Even After The Assassination The 60s were an Innocent Time of Cheap Guns and Lax Security ...

Every Vigilante in Dallas Wanted a Piece of Oswald, they Felt Like Filling him Full of Lead for Killing Kennedy, Ruby Just got to him First!

:eek:

Fair point; even without any conspiracy there were lots of people who would be eager to put an end to Oswald for a bit of patriotic revenge. I don't imagine he would have lasted very long in the general population in any prison had gotten their hands on him...
 
As for the assassination, my biggest objection to the official story has to be the claim that Oswald managed to make three very difficult shots using a battered mail-order rifle with a crooked scope he mounted in his garage when trained Marine snipers using quality weapons couldn't duplicate his feat.

Why does everyone always insist that Oswald used the scope at all. The scope mounted on the Mannlicer Carcano was of the type that allowed the use of the rifle's iron sights. Plus although Oswald was shooting at a moving target he was shooting at a target moving away from him. This simplified the shooting solution. Plus just because the rifle was cosmetically beat-up don't confuse that with the condition of the functioning parts of the weapon
 
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