Or an Imperial Germany which won WWI? An unpartitioned India which became the world's largest economy through export-oriented industrialization? An Italian-led fascist alliance? A bloc of surviving British and French Empires? A surviving pan-Islamist Ottoman Empire and its junior allies?
What is a common thing or trope that always seem to happen?
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Animal sacrifice is quite normal in the modern day, Muslims have a whole four day holiday for it.
why is Germany winning WW1 ASB?
I can understand hard but ASB?
So the WW1 outcome was set in stone in 1914 itself?
I didn't know sacrifices were allowed in Islam, I assumed that like Christianity, sacrifices are frowned upon. what is the name?
ASB is a bit hyperbolic, but it was quite difficult for Germany to win, no thanks to the very incompetent leadership at the top
Eid al-Adha - Wikipedia
Qurban (Islamic ritual sacrifice) - Wikipedia
Regardless of their actual in-universe history and actions, in any TL where Imperial Japan appears:
-The audience will expect them to act by robotically copying the actions, attitudes, and ideas of OTL's Imperial Japan even if that doesn't make any sense. (Like, expect Japan to try to conquer Korea even if the TL's point of divergence is Korea becoming Japan's ally vis-à-vis the outside. Or expect Japan to try to conquer China even if the POD is the ISOT of the People's Republic of China from 2022 to 1922. Or expect them to go genocidal insane in China even if the political focus is "Asia United Against The Colonizer"). And they will protest accusing the author of "whitewashing Imperial Japan" if they don't.
-They will repeatedly express their disbelief that ANYONE (except Nazi Germany) would consider not just allying with Japan, but maintaining diplomatic and trade relations with Japan. As well as his conviction that the focus should be on supporting and uplifting all neighbors (especially China) to "counterbalance Japan", and decreeing savage embargos with the only goal of destroying Japan's economy (and who cares about the commercial losses this policy surely will cause to their country). That's right, it seems Japan should be treated even worse than North Korea.
-They will make increasingly aggressive calls for the protagonist country to focus all its efforts on containing and destroying Japan, because "they are too evil to be allowed to live" even if it is a France that is understandably more worried about its neighbor : the openly genocidal, imperialist, expansionist Germany that is howling about how they want to conquer France and exterminate all French people.
-If the United States exists, the focus will shift to trying to convince the United States to throw its full weight into destroying Japan, ignoring China and the other Asian neighbors, because "we need the Americans in Asia" (even if it is a country that the presence of the United States in Asia would harm immensely in every way).
-The audience will expect them to act by robotically copying the actions, attitudes, and ideas of OTL's Imperial Japan even if that doesn't make any sense. (Like, expect Japan to try to conquer Korea even if the TL's point of divergence is Korea becoming Japan's ally vis-à-vis the outside. Or expect Japan to try to conquer China even if the POD is the ISOT of the People's Republic of China from 2022 to 1922. Or expect them to go genocidal insane in China even if the political focus is "Asia United Against The Colonizer"). And they will protest accusing the author of "whitewashing Imperial Japan" if they don't.
-They will repeatedly express their disbelief that ANYONE (except Nazi Germany) would consider not just allying with Japan, but maintaining diplomatic and trade relations with Japan. As well as his conviction that the focus should be on supporting and uplifting all neighbors (especially China) to "counterbalance Japan", and decreeing savage embargos with the only goal of destroying Japan's economy (and who cares about the commercial losses this policy surely will cause to their country). That's right, it seems Japan should be treated even worse than North Korea.
-They will make increasingly aggressive calls for the protagonist country to focus all its efforts on containing and destroying Japan, because "they are too evil to be allowed to live" even if it is a France that is understandably more worried about its neighbor : the openly genocidal, imperialist, expansionist Germany that is howling about how they want to conquer France and exterminate all French people.
-If the United States exists, the focus will shift to trying to convince the United States to throw its full weight into destroying Japan, ignoring China and the other Asian neighbors, because "we need the Americans in Asia" (even if it is a country that the presence of the United States in Asia would harm immensely in every way).
I think is another instance of reading WW2 instead of WW1. Occurs frequently
Alternatively, it is another of those cases that I have seen very often and that could be summarized as follows:
-Germany imposes its terms and conditions on the Entente and prepares to summon the ambassadors to sign the peace treaty.
-A socialist revolution breaks out of nowhere, forcibly overthrows the German government, proceeds to assassinate the Kaiser, and proclaims the German Democratic Republic.
-The German Democratic Republic proceeds to sign the Treaty of Versailles because they do not want to be distracted while they organize the savage purges of "reactionaries".
From here two things can happen:
-The German Democratic Republic becomes a pariah state that initiates a brutal program of rearmament before launching in 1939 a war of aggression with the aim of establishing the proletarian revolution throughout the world. It is brutally crushed and OTL is restored.
-The German Democratic Republic is overthrown by a counterrevolution that becomes Nazi Germany and initiates wars of revanchist aggression. It is brutally crushed and OTL is restored.
Re: China - if it fragmented into multiple states during the later Qing, I could see an attempt by the Japanese to ally (not puppetize if they don't have Korea) with one or more of these states.
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It is in reference to an idea that I have seen very repeated in many threads about WW1. The claim is that the risk of a socialist revolution in Germany was imminent and real, and would have occurred even if the Kaiserreich won the war. Personally I think that's more wish fulfillment than anything else (Germany shoots itself in the foot and makes the Allies victorious even if Germany won militarily).
No WWII and the 30s confrontation between Democracy, Socialism, and Fascism continues.
Napoleon returns and this time he's syndicalist!
And the occasional role swap where the US is evil and insert country is good and we all know they stand in for the OTL US but with a different colour of paint while the Evil!US stand in for Nazi Germany but american flavoured
Pretty much WAllies wish fulfillment
"Any TL where Germany wins is ASB and they realistically should always be balkanized" even if the POD would change the leadership of this Germany(or make a completely different "Germany" entirely) because something something Royal Navy
Of course that also has the opposite effect of making Germany seem like a underdog(they werent, Imperial Germany was massively more powerful than France and Nazi Germany swallowed up the whole western Europe) and thus we get so so many TLs about them avoiding their "doomed OTL fate" for whatever reason(there's a reason successful Sealion became a meme) where they're romanticized through & through
This, absolutely this
Did Japan stay out of China and took the Indies instead? ITS AMERICA TIME BABY!
But it is also funny because any other Japan(before 1900s and after WWII) is always portrayed as a glorious civilised country bound to invent anime due to the fact authors like to antagonize China(except in WWII for obvious reasons) and catholics(cause insert meme about how evil they were cuz inquisition and Mesoamerica) so the japanese repressing jesuit priests(and christians in general) before 1900s is of course based and serving as a counterweight against China after WWII for America heavily necessary because we cant afford the chinese to become too strong right?
Except when its a literal american flavoured USSR like in Reds!, then it is absolutely glorious!
- Crown Prince Rupprecht becomes President, kicks out the Nazis, saves democracy in Germany and prevents the Second World War.
- The Guangxu Emperor is able avoid Cixi's coup and implement his proposed reforms in China.
- Lindenburg becomes US president and either follows strict neutrality or favours the Nazis leading to an axis victory in the Second World War.
- The RN armoured carriers are built with double hangers and a decent airgroup.
- Theodore Roosevelt wins a third term in 1912 and pushes the US into the First World War by 1916.
- A conservative coup against FDR leads to a US dictatorship.
- The Guangxu Emperor is able avoid Cixi's coup and implement his proposed reforms in China.
- Lindenburg becomes US president and either follows strict neutrality or favours the Nazis leading to an axis victory in the Second World War.
- The RN armoured carriers are built with double hangers and a decent airgroup.
- Theodore Roosevelt wins a third term in 1912 and pushes the US into the First World War by 1916.
- A conservative coup against FDR leads to a US dictatorship.