What if you neutralized the effects of US and USSR intervention in post WWII Korea?

raharris1973

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Who would have won the fight using only native resources, the right or the left?

What if the US and USSR could funnel aid to the proxies but could not use an occupation to install a client regime----whose proxies would have won then?
 
Im thinking it would be a tie, the south would stop the north outside of seoul and the lines will go back and forth and so on. Depends on how much aid the US and USSR are funneling in.
 
Kim II Sung rules a United Korea for about 50 years becoming even more powerful and tyrannical without a major rival to the south.

With this much stronger DPRK, He can industrialize faster build a bigger army and start threaten Japan in a much more serious fashion, whilst using his better bargaining position to squeeze out more aid from the PRC & U.S.S.R during their disputes where the DPRK’s support would matter a lot.

There's no question of the south holding out. Kim’s armies were much better than them in every category with much better morale & training with Kim's partisans forming the core DPRK's army.

Hell in the OTL the north had actually won the war within the first few weeks only the US intervention saved the ROK at the very last moment.
 

raharris1973

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Hmm, let's actually pull the divergence back to 1945

If we're talking about having both the Koreas and letting them fight, when then I'm afraid urban fox is right, North Korea wins.

I was thinking more along the lines of, what if the peninsula is not partitioned and occupied after WWII. For example, what if instead of some paternalistic mangement by the US and USSR, creating zones, the powers just recognize the Korean People's Republic declared in the country right after V-J day, or they recognize the government in exile in Nanking. Who would win the power struggle if the US and USSR are not in the country in such a big way setting things up (like the North Korean Army, which, equipment, organization and training-wise, was such a clear Soviet set up). So, would indigenous reds with or without a low level of support (like what the ChiComs or Greek Communists got) win on their own, or would they lose to the declared postwar regime?
 
How far back do we place the nonintervention clause? The main reason the DPRK was so overwhelmingly more powerful was large amounts of Soviet aid in weapons, training and organisation. Without the money, the printing presses and cadre training, agit-prop and all that jazz, I'm not sure we would see a united Communist partisan movement emerge.

Of course, without US support, Syngman Rhee is dead even without Communist enemies.
 
How far back do we place the nonintervention clause? The main reason the DPRK was so overwhelmingly more powerful was large amounts of Soviet aid in weapons, training and organisation. Without the money, the printing presses and cadre training, agit-prop and all that jazz, I'm not sure we would see a united Communist partisan movement emerge.
A good portion of the DPRK army were ethnic Korean veterans of the Chinese civil war. Even absent Soviet aid, the North Koreans had highly experienced soldiers and proven commanders to build an army around. In contrast the South Koreans were complete amateurs and required direct US intervention in OTL. It took the entire Korean War for the South Korean armed forces to develop the semblance of a modern military culture. Therefore I don't think there's any question which of them would win when both sides get minimum foreign support.
 
A good portion of the DPRK army were ethnic Korean veterans of the Chinese civil war. Even absent Soviet aid, the North Koreans had highly experienced soldiers and proven commanders to build an army around. In contrast the South Koreans were complete amateurs and required direct US intervention in OTL. It took the entire Korean War for the South Korean armed forces to develop the semblance of a modern military culture. Therefore I don't think there's any question which of them would win when both sides get minimum foreign support.

That's exactly my point - the DPRK get an advantage from the experience, training and support provided by Communist allies well before 1950. If that is still in the picture, they win. If not, the matter is much more open.
 
That's exactly my point - the DPRK get an advantage from the experience, training and support provided by Communist allies well before 1950. If that is still in the picture, they win. If not, the matter is much more open.
The case of Korean veterans going home to fight for North Korea cannot be defined simply as support provided by North Korea's allies. Certainly it was Mao's policy to assist North Korea in this manner. But even so, substantial numbers of those Korean veterans were going back home no matter what.
 
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