What if Vice President Roosevelt Fell to His Death When Rushing to Be Sworn InAs Pres

Would this have resulted in something like otl's 25th Amendment being passed much sooner?

Well, two subsequent deaths (Harding and FDR) did not have this effect. And the VPcy had been vacant eleven times before without producing such a move. Assuming Hay's presidency went without major incident, such a change might become less likely rather thna more.

Also, iirc, the 25th Amendment was as much to deal with presidential disability as with succession. That wasn't much of an issue in 1901
 
Well, two subsequent deaths (Harding and FDR) did not have this effect. And the VPcy had been vacant eleven times before without producing such a move. Assuming Hay's presidency went without major incident, such a change might become less likely rather thna more.

Also, iirc, the 25th Amendment was as much to deal with presidential disability as with succession. That wasn't much of an issue in 1901

Two subsequent deaths? Harding died in '23 and FDR '45, not exactly close. I would say something like the 25th Amendment gets passed, but says nothing of disability or inability, making a future crisis more interesting (for example if Wilson still becomes President and has a public stroke crisis).
 
Two subsequent deaths? Harding died in '23 and FDR '45, not exactly close. I would say something like the 25th Amendment gets passed,

Sorry but I still don't see why you expect it.

In 1901, the VPcy had already been vacant ten times, for a total period of about 31 years out of 112, without leading to anything resembling the 25th Amendment. While TR's death is a first inasmuch as it creates a double vacancy, all it has done is transfer the White House to a Sec of State who is at least as competent as the average VP, so there is no reason to expect any particular action. Most of the leadership of the Republican Party (which controls Congress) is probably breathing a quiet sigh of relief and thinking the prsent Succession Law will do just fine.


but says nothing of disability or inability, making a future crisis more interesting (for example if Wilson still becomes President and has a public stroke crisis).

You've lost me now.

If this Amendment says nothing about disability or inability, then how does it affect President Wilson? The Vice-Presidency was never vacant during his term.
 
If this Amendment says nothing about disability or inability, then how does it affect President Wilson? The Vice-Presidency was never vacant during his term.

They went around the Constitutino with his wife trimming everything and deciding what he read, what few people he met, the like. Extremely powerful. Though to keep it in perspective if might be less of a power seizure than caring for thim, as his doctor apparently told her that he would lose the will to life and die if he was forced from the job.
 
They went around the Constitutino with his wife trimming everything and deciding what he read, what few people he met, the like. Extremely powerful. Though to keep it in perspective if might be less of a power seizure than caring for thim, as his doctor apparently told her that he would lose the will to life and die if he was forced from the job.


Yes, I have a book on the subject. Though as long as they didn't confine him against his will, or forge his signature on anything, it probably wasn't illegal; just highly irregular.
 
Indeed. Anyways, how do you think foreign policy would have been altered?

Probably something less memorable than "Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead", but the captive's return might still have been arranged. The Russo-Jap War is probably settled somewhere other than Portsmouth, NH.

All in all, rather less sound and fury with Hay than with TR, but at the end of the day nothing enormously changed.
 
Which captives? And the Japanese might have collapsed if TR hadn't stepped in. There is also the Panama Canal and the Roosevelt Collorary. And the Great White Fleet.
 
Which captives? And the Japanese might have collapsed if TR hadn't stepped in. There is also the Panama Canal and the Roosevelt Collorary. And the Great White Fleet.

The captives were Ion Perdicaris and his stepson.

I'm not sure what you mean about the Japanese "collapsing", which would have been kind of difficult when their enemy was paralysed by revolution and the enemy fleet at the bottom of the sea. Japan might have run into financial straits, but a clearly victorious power will always find someone to lend it money.

The US had already acquired Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Philippines without needing TR in the White House, so she could most likely also have acquired the Canal Zone without him - one way or another. And the Roosevelt Corollary could easily have been the someone else corollary.

All the powers were increasing their navies during the Edwardian epoch. Probably the US would have done so, even under another President.
 
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