What If: Tsar Nicholas II has a son without Haemophilia

What would be the effects of Tsar Nicholas II had a son without Haemophilia?







(I actually thought of this after hearing a joke that Communism was the fault of Queen Victoria because if the Tsars son hadn't had Haemophilia, Rasputin wouldn't have been involved, the Royal family wouldn't have become alienated from the Russian people, and so on and so forth...)
 
It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference to be honest. The Russian people would still be starving whilst losing a war to the central powers, although the casualties might be lower if the king doesn't take command of the front lines.
 
This is one of those situations that might have had a minimal effect in the fighting. Russia would still go into WW1, and the Russians would still be facing massive losses in the fighting. Perhaps it takes another month for the revolution to break out, but short of the Czar getting a Duma that appeases the people (not likely), "Peace, Land and Bread" is coming to a Soviet near you.
 
Doesn´t change much.

Unless he escapes.

But I believe he´d be killed by the KGB at some point.

Although a nice challenge would be: Make russia become a constitutional monarchy in 2008.:rolleyes:
 
Well - actually - this could have major implications.

Firstly, as you stated, no haemophilia equals no Rasputin. No Rasputin equals none of the corruption and infighting which he introduced into the government and aristocracy of Petrograd. This would naturally give people more faith in the Tsar and his government. At the same time, the Bolsheviks and leftists would not be able to milk Rasputin for all the anti-Tsarist propaganda which he brought.

Even if Tsar Nicholas II is forced to abdicate - for whatever reason - he can hand over power directly to his son in this TL because he will consider him fit enough for the task. 'Advisers' will effectively control the country until Alexei reached a suitable age to take over. In this time, the advisers would be able to work more with the establishment and the provisional government figures - potentially forming a constitutional monarchy which they could slot the new Tsar into.
 
Doesn´t change much.

Unless he escapes.

But I believe he´d be killed by the KGB at some point.

Although a nice challenge would be: Make russia become a constitutional monarchy in 2008.:rolleyes:

It could become a violent version of Anastasia, but with the heir coming back and killing the murderers...

But seriously, I would have thought the lack of Rasputin hanging around might have atleast had some effect. Russian history isn't an area of interest, but I was under the impression that the Tsar and family were partially out of touch because of Rasputin, and he was considered to be a bit perverted.
 
Well - actually - this could have major implications.

Firstly, as you stated, no haemophilia equals no Rasputin. No Rasputin equals none of the corruption and infighting which he introduced into the government and aristocracy of Petrograd. This would naturally give people more faith in the Tsar and his government. At the same time, the Bolsheviks and leftists would not be able to milk Rasputin for all the anti-Tsarist propaganda which he brought.

Even if Tsar Nicholas II is forced to abdicate - for whatever reason - he can hand over power directly to his son in this TL because he will consider him fit enough for the task. 'Advisers' will effectively control the country until Alexei reached a suitable age to take over. In this time, the advisers would be able to work more with the establishment and the provisional government figures - potentially forming a constitutional monarchy which they could slot the new Tsar into.

That's what I was thinking (and posting at the same time as you, apparently).
 
If World War I still happens, then the people are going to come to hate the Tsar, Rasputin or no Rasputin. I don't think that this would stop the peasants from starving or increase the munitions production, so the sparks for the Bolsheviks are still going to be there. so I think the Tsarist regime probably will still fall,.
 
Russian history isn't an area of interest, but I was under the impression that the Tsar and family were partially out of touch because of Rasputin, and he was considered to be a bit perverted.

I am certainly no expert on Russia, but our picture of Rasputin is largely based upon British propaganda. He realized the dangers of a German-Russian conflict early on, and the conspiracy to assassinate him seems to be linked to UK intelligence. The fatal bullet was fired from a British service revolver, a rare weapon in Russia ...
 
I am certainly no expert on Russia, but our picture of Rasputin is largely based upon British propaganda. He realized the dangers of a German-Russian conflict early on, and the conspiracy to assassinate him seems to be linked to UK intelligence. The fatal bullet was fired from a British service revolver, a rare weapon in Russia ...

Wasn't he also thrown in a river?
 
I was thinking more about the fact that the story is that he had to be thrown into the river after being shot, stabbed, and poisoned.
Well, stabbity deaths weren't that uncommon, either, nor was poison.;)
But yes, according to that story, it did take that much to kill him (and according to Muffinwind, it wasn't enough).
 
Well, stabbity deaths weren't that uncommon, either, nor was poison.;)
But yes, according to that story, it did take that much to kill him (and according to Muffinwind, it wasn't enough).

Didn't he sleep around alot, or is that just a legend? That's partially what got me thinking it might have helped the Tsar's image not to have him around.
 

randomkeith

Banned
No Ra- Ra Rusputie Russias greatest love machine for starters by Boney M, maybe they make Py - Py Pythagorus, Greeces greatest triangle man instead???
 

randomkeith

Banned
Oh My God am i surrounded by philistines here.


For those of you who don't know this song here are the lyrics


There lived a certain man in Russia long ago

He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow

Most people looked at him with terror and with fear

But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear



He could preach the Bible like a preacher

Full of extasy and fire

But he also was the kind of teacher

Women would desire



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen

There was a cat that really was gone

Ra Ra Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

It was a shame how he carried on



He ruled the Russian land and never mind the Tsar

But the kasachok he danced really wunderbar

In all affairs of state he was the man to please

But he was real great when he had a girl to squeeze



For the queen he was no wheeler dealer though she heard the things he'd done

She believed he was a holy healer who would heal her son



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen

There was a cat that really was gone

Ra Ra Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

It was a shame how he carried on



But when his drinking and lusting and his hunger for power became known to more and more people the demands to do something about this outrageous man became louder and louder



Hey, hey, hey, hey....



This man's just gotta go, declared his enemies

But the ladies begged, don't you try to do it please

No doubt this Rasputin had lots of hidden charms

Though he was a brute they just fell into his arms



Then one night some men of higher standing set a trap, they're not to blame

Come to vist us us, they kept demanding, and he really came



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian Queen

They put some poison into his wine

Ra Ras Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

He drank it all and said I feel fine



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian Queen

They didn't quit they wanted his head

Ra Ra Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

And so they shot him till he was dead



Oh those Russians
 

Sargon

Donor
Monthly Donor
Oh My God am i surrounded by philistines here.


For those of you who don't know this song here are the lyrics


There lived a certain man in Russia long ago

He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow

Most people looked at him with terror and with fear

But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear



He could preach the Bible like a preacher

Full of extasy and fire

But he also was the kind of teacher

Women would desire



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen

There was a cat that really was gone

Ra Ra Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

It was a shame how he carried on



He ruled the Russian land and never mind the Tsar

But the kasachok he danced really wunderbar

In all affairs of state he was the man to please

But he was real great when he had a girl to squeeze



For the queen he was no wheeler dealer though she heard the things he'd done

She believed he was a holy healer who would heal her son



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen

There was a cat that really was gone

Ra Ra Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

It was a shame how he carried on



But when his drinking and lusting and his hunger for power became known to more and more people the demands to do something about this outrageous man became louder and louder



Hey, hey, hey, hey....



This man's just gotta go, declared his enemies

But the ladies begged, don't you try to do it please

No doubt this Rasputin had lots of hidden charms

Though he was a brute they just fell into his arms



Then one night some men of higher standing set a trap, they're not to blame

Come to vist us us, they kept demanding, and he really came



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian Queen

They put some poison into his wine

Ra Ras Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

He drank it all and said I feel fine



Ra Ra Rasputin, lover of the Russian Queen

They didn't quit they wanted his head

Ra Ra Rasputin, Russian's greatest love machine

And so they shot him till he was dead



Oh those Russians

Classic stuff, just listening to it now!

I think that the dynasty was in serious trouble, haemophilia or not.


Sargon
 

randomkeith

Banned
Classic stuff, just listening to it now!

I think that the dynasty was in serious trouble, haemophilia or not.


Sargon

True but little Alexies haemophilia would have prevented the Tsar stepping down in favour of his son, following his spectacular failure as milatry commander.

Rasputins involvment with the Tsarina only helped to further isolate the Tsar from the common people. No Haemophilia = No Rasputin = more chance of the Tsar stepping down in order for his son to rule in his place.

They were probally doomed anyway but, at least with Alexie as the Tsar there would probably be a greater chance of the Russians rallying to the Tsar rather than to Lenin.
 
I was thinking more about the fact that the story is that he had to be thrown into the river after being shot, stabbed, and poisoned.

Didn't he sleep around alot, or is that just a legend? That's partially what got me thinking it might have helped the Tsar's image not to have him around.

Well according to history the “Mad Monk” Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin (1869-1916) was a wandering religious ascetic who claimed to have psychic powers, including faith healing. The Anastasia legend, 20th-Century Fox and comic book writer Mike Mignola made him into a demon summoning sorcerer. It is true that he was assassinated in December of 1916, and that he apparently predicted his own death, but all the stuff about him being repeatedly stabbed, poisoned, shot, castrated, gassed and drowned before finally dying is just legend apparently. It is rumored that Rasputin did have quite a way with the ladies so much so that it is still a common misconception that his name in Russian means “licentious” – it does not. There is also a popular urban legend concerning Rasputin’s penis and every once and awhile a huge penis or penis like object will show up in a jar with some individual purporting it to be the real deal. Rasputin was survived by his daughter Maria (died 1977) who was a dancer and tiger trainer. She said her father was a saint.

Yeah, I kind of know a lot about Rasputin. :rolleyes:

Oh and that song Randomkeith posted kicks ass. :cool:
 
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