there would still be the punics and greeks and romans just no celts and more Teutons
Can you elaborate on HOW it got that way? Butterflies are wondering (and wandering). Otherwise we kinda are in the ASB territory.there would still be the punics and greeks and romans just no celts and more Teutons
there would still be the punics and greeks and romans just no celts and more Teutons
Scandinavia is not part of Europe? First historical record of Celts is 700 BC and they were centered at the Danube at that point. Germanic heartland was not far to the East, you're thinking of the Goths who left Gotland and went to Ukraine area, they aren't the ancestors of Germanic tribes. Germanic tribes were going to the area of the Elbe and Oder starting around 1000 BCE and were in southern Germany by 100 BCE. The Alemanni, Saxons, Franks, Thuringians were never "far to the east", you're confusing your German tribes, the urheimat of the Germans was not to the east, it was northern Germany and southern Scandinavia (Scania).The Germanic languages spread into Europe from Scandinavia, and they seem to have arrived very late. At contact with Rome, up to the Rhine was mostly Celtic and east of it some Celtic groups still existed. Celtic speakers hit the historical records about 500BC, so we are kind of looking at a massive area of space and time to fill with something in your ATL.
The Germanic speakers might not have been in the far north of OTL Germany by then (though they probably were). After that they spread a long way eastwards, and a bit to the west, but they were very strongly influenced by Celtic culture. Also their heartland in the Roman period was far to the East of where they are spoken today.
Scandinavia is not part of Europe? First historical record of Celts is 700 BC and they were centered at the Danube at that point. Germanic heartland was not far to the East, you're thinking of the Goths who left Gotland and went to Ukraine area, they aren't the ancestors of Germanic tribes. Germanic tribes were going to the area of the Elbe and Oder starting around 1000 BCE and were in southern Germany by 100 BCE. The Alemanni, Saxons, Franks, Thuringians were never "far to the east", you're confusing your German tribes, the urheimat of the Germans was not to the east, it was northern Germany and southern Scandinavia (Scania).