What if the USSR dissolved, but remained communist?

The Alternate History question is always if the USSR never dissolved, but what if the great superpower dissolved at an earlier point when communism hadn't died in Europe?

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This map has a lot going on, so let me explain.

Why is Ireland communist?
Ireland fell to communism in 1996, due to a coup staged partially by the New Warsaw Pact.

Why did Austria Split Up?
Austria was largely influenced by communism in the East, so instead of going through a civil war, they simply split up.

Where is Yugoslavia?
Yugoslavia broke up because of its' cultural differences like it did in real life, splitting up in different ways. Albania went through a democratic revolution.

Why are Turkey and Greece communist?
Unlike Albania, they couldn't take the pressure of being surrounded by the Eastern Bloc and fell to communism in the early 90s.

Why did Germany never unify?
Germany unified in 1989, but the USSR dissolved at an earlier time.

Why is Russia part democratic?
The southern part of Russia went through a revolution similar to Albania's

How did all these countries stay communist?
In this world, the USSR dissolved, and a new type of communism was born that let the people have more of a say in government, and some better rights. Other than that, it is similar to Marxism.



This is my first Alternate History, so it totally sucks! If you want to tell me how I can improve, reply to this thread saying why. Thanks for reading!

~Jake~
 
1. Ireland is ASB. There is no big sympathy for Communism in Ireland and it would invite either UK intervention with US support or US intervention or US/UK intervention. Long story short neither the US or the UK would let Ireland turn Communist.
2. Austria splitting up like that is ASB. No huge sympathy for the Communist Party. The US and Germany would go nuts and there is no separatist movement to speak of in Austria.
3. Yugoslavia splitting up like that is possible.
4. You would have to explain why they didn't fall to Communism in the 1950's-1960's when the Warsaw Pact was much stronger. Very difficult to do.
5. Then there shouldn't be an East Germany
6. Any democratic Russia would be crushed by the Reds quickly in this scenario.
7. Communism has been tried a dozen times or more and has never succeeded. Why would that change in this scenario? You still have the same problems with the lack of incentives, no real pricing mechanism , and incentives for everyone to lie about their production like OTL.
 
1. Ireland is ASB. There is no big sympathy for Communism in Ireland and it would invite either UK intervention with US support or US intervention or US/UK intervention. Long story short neither the US or the UK would let Ireland turn Communist.
I agree that there wasn't much communist sentiment in Ireland, but being neighbouring to the US and far away from the Soviet Union didn't stop Cuba from becoming and staying communist.
 
I agree that there wasn't much communist sentiment in Ireland, but being neighbouring to the US and far away from the Soviet Union didn't stop Cuba from becoming communist.

Cuba was a lot poorer than Ireland is. Also it was partly due to Bastia being a right wing dictator that people reacted against. Ireland is a democracy. Kennedy also allowed himself to be fooled into thinking that Castro would be easily ousted and minimal force was needed. Just weakly back a bunch of counter-revolutionaries and the problem would be solved. Bush wouldn't be likely to make that mistake.
 
Cuba was a lot poorer than Ireland is. Also it was partly due to Bastia being a right wing dictator that people reacted against. Ireland is a democracy. Kennedy also allowed himself to be fooled into thinking that Castro would be easily ousted and minimal force was needed. Just weakly back a bunch of counter-revolutionaries and the problem would be solved. Bush wouldn't be likely to make that mistake.
What stopped the Americans from launching a full intervention after the Bay of Pigs failed?
 
What stopped the Americans from launching a full intervention after the Bay of Pigs failed?
Bay of Pigs was not a US invasion but a Cuban counter-revolutionnary operation (just happened that the CIA trainned and equiped the mens, IYNWIM)
An invasion would need a formal war declaration and casus beli.
 

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What stopped the Americans from launching a full intervention after the Bay of Pigs failed?
Because an invasion of Cuba by Cubans, gives the US plausible deniability. Meaning the USSR is effectively handtied on what they can do in response. That wouldn't be the case with US Marines landing on the beaches. If you want to invade Cuba with conventional US Ground Forces, you may as well go ahead and activate Reforger while you're at it. Because the Red Army will be crossing the Inter-German Border in this scenario
 
Ireland is not ASB. It is highly unplausible event. The problem is that highly unplausible events happens in our timeline as well as those plausible. You could have delayed Irish independence that caused Soviets to support local movements. If that happened during the highest point of their power and weak of the West. For example - Britain participants. in the Vietnam War with American direct intervention in Saudi Arabia to seize oilfields. That would cause huge backlash in the Isles, while huge oil crisis would weaken Western countries.

Austria could be easily split into two countries - Stalin could do that in OTL with a single decision.

The Soviet Union could fall into some sort of nasty civil war after fall of the oil prices. They would rely on that more than OTL, so it could cripple their economy.
 
1. Not happening, there is no communist support in Ireland and they'd just ask Britain and the US for help. If the US had enough people willing to fund the IRA back in the day, I can't imagine a war against communism would be very unpopular.
2. The communists were never strong in Austria, and they'd just join West Germany if only part of the country was occupied (which would take the Soviets imposing communism after WWII).
3. Where's Slovenia, Macedonia, or Bosnia? Why is Albania so big? Albania would never be allowed to annex Montenegro, only small parts of Montenegro ever had an Albanian majority. Further, they'd have to defeat Serbia in a war to annex those territories, a war which Albania is at a huge disadvantage since they spent all their money on those stupid concrete bunkers instead, plus Serbia's army was much larger (especially during the Serbia and Montenegro federation). Italy annexing Slovenia is ASB, they'd have to do it by force and there was no political will in Italy in the 90s to do that. Macedonia being Greek is ASB, they'd be Bulgarian if anything.
4. Communists had no organisation in Turkey after decades of political persecution, plus Turkey's military would resist at every level. Given Turkey is a NATO member, Russia can't invade them to enforce communism either without starting WWIII. Same goes for Greece. You'd need Axis Turkey in WWII to get a communist Turkey, and for Greece you'd need a way for the communists to win the civil war there.
5. And Germans sat back and let Germany be divided again? If Germany reunifies, then obviously East Germany is still highly unpopular, so both East and West Germans are going to fight any attempt to reimpose the pre-unification order, which will trigger WWIII because of NATO.
6. Not a viable state at all, it would last for a few months at most like the many anti-communist states of the Russian Civil War.
7. If communism still fails in 1991, then it isn't coming back, barring a much earlier POD. Although you might still have a communist Russia under Zyuganov (assuming he can somehow defeat the massive electoral fraud), and from there maybe in Belarus and Moldova. New type of communism, not happening, since communists can't agree on anything and tear each other apart over the slightest deviation from what they consider "Orthodox Marxism".

Additional note: What's the deal with the Polish-Lithuanian SSR? Lithuania would never want to unify with Poland after the events of the 20th century. Perhaps not as ASB as "Kalmar SSR", which doesn't make sense in the slightest.
 
I feel like people are a tad harsh, a lot of this isn't ASB, it just needs a lot to happen. Since you haven't given us much detail there is plenty of ways all of this could happen so I'm just going to say go into detail with developing a timeline.

Here's a couple of things I would like to know;
What year is it currently?
What and when is your POD?
How did the Balkans end up like this? How did Albania expand? How did Greece take Macedonia? How did Italy annex Slovenia? How did Croatia take Bosnia?
Why did the Polish-Lithuanian SSR form? Same with the Kalmar SSR?
Why is Spain a republic?

Also maybe you could make a map of all of Russia, it's a bit hard to imagine South Russia with just what we can see
 
Ireland is not ASB. It is highly unplausible event. The problem is that highly unplausible events happens in our timeline as well as those plausible. You could have delayed Irish independence that caused Soviets to support local movements. If that happened during the highest point of their power and weak of the West. For example - Britain participants. in the Vietnam War with American direct intervention in Saudi Arabia to seize oilfields. That would cause huge backlash in the Isles, while huge oil crisis would weaken Western countries.

Austria could be easily split into two countries - Stalin could do that in OTL with a single decision.

The Soviet Union could fall into some sort of nasty civil war after fall of the oil prices. They would rely on that more than OTL, so it could cripple their economy.

According to the OP Ireland fell to communism in 1996 which is way too late for anything like that to happen.

Stalin was dead by the 1990's or even the 1980's or '70s which makes it too late for him to have an influence. Since all the PODs mentioned are from the '90s it is way too late for anything like that happening short of ASB mind control.
 
Well, this was like my first thread lol and I didn't put much work or research into it. It's pretty inaccurate, but I have one i'm working on that should be better.
 
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