What if The USA gave up.

The OTL revolutionaries are discredited but the core issues remain. Unless the British make some concessions (e.g. easing restrictions on trans-Appalachian migration, giving the American elite nobility titles and some kind of colonial continental Parliament etc.), which they’re unlikely to do if the revolutionaries have given up outright, discontent will continue.

By the time the UK gets busy containing Napoleon, a new group of leaders make a 2nd attempt (look at the Mexican revolutions against Spain as an example of how it could go) unless every future revolution is commanded by ASBs to give up.
 
What if in 1776 The USA gave up and France saw that funding this new country was not worth it and Germany didn't see fit that they needed send military reinforcements.
The only way is a disastrous defeat at the beginning like they realize they poked a bear ( not a Russian one)

The OTL revolutionaries are discredited but the core issues remain. Unless the British make some concessions (e.g. easing restrictions on trans-Appalachian migration, giving the American elite nobility titles and some kind of colonial continental Parliament etc.), which they’re unlikely to do if the revolutionaries have given up outright, discontent will continue.

By the time the UK gets busy containing Napoleon, a new group of leaders make a 2nd attempt (look at the Mexican revolutions against Spain as an example of how it could go) unless every future revolution is commanded by ASBs to give up.
In a dead tl with a similar premise I argued as the revolution died so fast people would try it again as could blame awful organization to the first try?
 
The only way is a disastrous defeat at the beginning like they realize they poked a bear ( not a Russian one)
I think 1776 Battles of New York were the only chance for this. Washington’s army, incl. the bulk of the Siege of Boston veterans was defeated in open battle and surrounded with their backs to the water by the largest army Britain had ever deployed to the Americas twice in a row. Both times Howe let them get away to the interior instead of decisively crushing them then and there.

Even a victory of that magnitude would require a stick (follow up campaign on Philadelphia) and carrot (like amnesty, titles and parliamentary representation for surrendering American leaders) to end the revolution for good. Much more effort than US just giving up. In any case, UK may face look round 2 a couple decades down the line.
 

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The OTL revolutionaries are discredited but the core issues remain. Unless the British make some concessions (e.g. easing restrictions on trans-Appalachian migration,
This was already resolved. The Proclomation line was a pro-settler policy, to make sure the South East was settled by British colonists. This would have prevented any encroachment from Spainish or French Colonists.
giving the American elite nobility titles
British colonists were to egalitarian for nobility to work. Which is why it failed in the American, Australasian and African colonies. As for whether it colonial upper classes wanted that status, idk?
and some kind of colonial continental Parliament etc.
All they wanted was autonomy, which they had prior to post-7yw. So a giant conglomerated state isn't essential.

By the time the UK gets busy containing Napoleon, a new group of leaders make a 2nd attempt (look at the Mexican revolutions against Spain as an example of how it could go) unless every future revolution is commanded by ASBs to give up.
No French funding, no Napoleon, no Spanish rebellions.
 
and Germany didn't see fit that they needed send military reinforcements.
What does this even mean?

There wasn’t even A Germany in 1776.


No French funding, no Napoleon, no Spanish rebellions.
France was already in a financial pit before the war. All that the ARW did was make an extremely bad situation which France almost certainly wasn’t going to fix to one in which the almost was gone.
 
I think he means Prussia, but again they only send Von Steuben and by the POD he might not even arrive.
Prussia didn’t send von Steuben. Benjamin Franklin MET him through French contacts, helped him puff up his resume, and then Steuben came on his own.
 
Is the intent here, "What if the revolution was crushed early?" in which case we see a second attempt in a decade or three, or is the intent, "What if the anger never boils over into outright revolution?" which is going to require some changes by the British to sooth tensions and the result will be determined by the changes.
 
If the whole events surrounding the "Ride of Paul Revere" went entirely in favor of the British, could that have sunk the Revolution?

Basically no alert calling out the Minutemen in time to stop the British seizure of the supplies in Concord. And men like Adams and Hancock did not have time to flee before capture.
 
If the whole events surrounding the "Ride of Paul Revere" went entirely in favor of the British, could that have sunk the Revolution?

Basically no alert calling out the Minutemen in time to stop the British seizure of the supplies in Concord. And men like Adams and Hancock did not have time to flee before capture.
I don't think so. As the British marched into the area people were racing to Concord to warn them that "THE BRITISH ARE COMING, THE BRITISH ARE COMING!" Such a large force marching though, a heavily populated hostile region could hardly expect to gain operational surprise. The march to Concord was a reckless venture that could have led to the loss of the whole force. The British were fortunate that a major made the decision to take the north Rd. to Charlestown, rather than the south Rd to Boston Neck. The Patriots had dismantled the bridge at Cambridge and would have trapped the whole force there. If that had happened the British might have evacuated Boston right then and there. The defense of the city might have been untenable with half the garrison captured.
 
This was already resolved. The Proclomation line was a pro-settler policy, to make sure the South East was settled by British colonists. This would have prevented any encroachment from Spainish or French Colonists.

British colonists were to egalitarian for nobility to work. Which is why it failed in the American, Australasian and African colonies. As for whether it colonial upper classes wanted that status, idk?

All they wanted was autonomy, which they had prior to post-7yw. So a giant conglomerated state isn't essential.


No French funding, no Napoleon, no Spanish rebellions.
I think it’s also worthwhile to note that the British themselves weren’t thrilled to grant significant honors to the lowly colonials either.When The Australian government tried to make Blamey a Field Marshal, the British government ended up making all sorts of excuses against it, claiming dominion generals cannot be made FMs even though Smuts was made one.
 
There was no Germany in 1776.
Just Hessian mercenaries who the British paid.
You could look at how the British treated Irish rebels in 1798 after that rebellion failed.
Possible transportation of rebel leaders to a distant penal colony with their land forfit to the crown.
The French revolution might not happen or have been delayed.
 
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