What if The Us wins the war of 1812?

Marginal Victory

...basically the US still won by successfully ending any British interference and alliances south of the Canadian border. The westward expanion of the 19th century was therefore secured.

It was a dirty and costly war, but in the end, the United States were in a better position than beforehands.
 
I'm not disagreeing with that. But the fact is, if Canada was captured, Britain would've put more emphasis on the war in America. Historically, it was completely a sideshow. Britain used what forces it could in Spain, and spent some relatively small rabble over to the US. With Canada captured, Britain would've been a bit more willing to shift a larger portion of forces to America. Keep in mind, the British started really gaining ground in Spain in mid-1812, shortly after the War of 1812 started, meaning troops could be shifted to America without too much effort. The Peninsular War ended in 1814, a year before the War of 1812 ended. Assuming the Napoleonic Wars go on essentially the same without too many butterflies, Napoleon gets exiled and Britain is free to send tens of thousands of more soldiers to the US. Certainly they're not going to give up Canada to the US so quickly, so it's a safe assumption the *War of 1812 is still going by 1814.
I disagree that Briatin would have pulled troops out of the Penninsular Campaign to fight in the Americas. Not that I doubt the eventual victory of the British if they choose to, but the US posed no strategic threat to the British, and so apart from blockading the land-issue could wait until Napolean was dealt with. Afterwards, the British land at Halifax with Wellington's army and crush the Americans who I don't believe could have maintained the full standing army for all that time and are materially weaker than during OTL hostilities. The world's superpower could then dictate terms to the Americans (something like no expansion west of the Appalachians?)

The question then is: What happens during Napolean's 100 Days if Sir Arthur is across the pond?
 
Once Napoleon is beaten why send Wellington and his entire army?

Imagine 30,000 men under some lesser but still professional commander landing on Long Island and marching on NYC while New England separatists meet in Hartford...
 
Once Napoleon is beaten why send Wellington and his entire army?

Imagine 30,000 men under some lesser but still professional commander landing on Long Island and marching on NYC while New England separatists meet in Hartford...

Which is precisely what would happen if the US actually made some major gains against Canada during the first few years of the war. Certainly that would be the quickest way for them to get the US troops out of Canada.

I imagine the British siezing a major port, and soundly defeating a US army, along with a real blockade, would be enough to bring Madison to the peace table.

It'd likely be a status quo peace too.
 
I disagree that Briatin would have pulled troops out of the Penninsular Campaign to fight in the Americas.

My point was more just the fact that the British would win. No matter what. Either by pulling a small number out of the Peninsular War, or a large number once it's over. And that makes the question kind of moot.
 
My point was more just the fact that the British would win. No matter what. Either by pulling a small number out of the Peninsular War, or a large number once it's over. And that makes the question kind of moot.

Not if the French win at Trafalgar or even just get less beaten. If British Supremacy of Sea is in question than moving soldiers from the Europe to America is risky and possibly not worth the gamble. Besides a Federalist wouldn't have hurt
 

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My "United States of the Americas and Oceania" TL shows a complete American victory in the War of 1812, although it is wholly different from OTL. First, the British enact an oppressive Quebec Act, so Quebec and Nova Scotia fully join the American Revolution and the USA afterwards (alogsdie wtih Bahamas and Bermuda). Second, Washington is butterflied into getting a third term, so no Alien and Sediction Acts, and the Federalists enjoy a 40-year political dominance, which they put to good use to boost US internal development and military preparedness substantially. As a result, America wins a complete victory in the French-American War (OTL Quasi-War), which vindicates federalist policies, and comes to 1812 fully prepared with a kickass Army, Navy, and Militia. US forces soon kick the British out of Rupert's Land, give the RN a worthy fight alongside American coasts and in the Caribbean, allowing the Americans to land and conquer Jamaica, Hispaniola, and Guyana (although landings in Cuba and Trinidad are repelled by the RN). Last but not least, the Congress of Vienna collapses, Britain, France, and Austria come to blows with Prussia, Russia, and Naples over the Poland-Saxony plan, and Napoleon makes his comeback in the middle of that war, turning it into a merry three-way fight. As a result, Napoleon curbstomps Wellington at Waterloo, and Prussia-Russia crush Austria. Faced with mounting defeats, the Tory war government collapses, and the new Whig government pleads for peace. America gets Rupert's Land, North-Western Territory, Labrador, Jamaica, and British-Dutch Guiana at the peace table.
 
Not if the French win at Trafalgar or even just get less beaten. If British Supremacy of Sea is in question than moving soldiers from the Europe to America is risky and possibly not worth the gamble. Besides a Federalist wouldn't have hurt

The POD was the American invasion of Canada in 1812 being successful. I completely agree that the US had a chance of victory of some sort in an alternate War of 1812 with an earlier POD.
 
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