What if the us was on the other side of world war 2

First post here. Concept is us entry on other side of ww2. This isn't realistic and I'm not sure how to get this to happen but I'm just looking at what would happen if it did happen not why.


Persecution of us Jews etc not req, perhaps have pogrom like Russian empire, but def not on scale like nazis irl


British Caribbean, Bermuda falls very easily as undefended islands. They become us colonies like Virgin Islands. Canada is cold one therefore it takes longer, but eventually falls as isolated from U.K. By ocean. Local mountain guerilla resistance continues in Canada but is not serious threat


Canada is divided disregarding preexisting borders except Québec which becomes nominally ind us puppet. Northern areas became native reserve and ignored.


U.K. Is comparable to Japan, heavily industrialized and protected island takes long time to crack open. US has naval strength to invade, no one else can. After refusing to surrender to intense firebombing, nuclear weapons are first used in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Canterbury. After surrender, UK gets partitioned. Ireland is united, as it should be irl. Scotland and Wales become independent states, influenced by German and American ideals but not under direct control. Kingdom of England has powerless king similar to irl Japan.


Australia and Nz peace out, giving pacific islands such as New Guinea and Nauru to Japan but invading invasion of the mainland. They pledge to remain neutral, but have no choice but to cooperate sometimes considering dependence on foreign trade. Racist White Australia policy remains until today, but at least they tolerated Jews.


India, United Bengal, and Pakistan are freed from British. United Bengal is Japanese satellite while India and Pakistan are more independent due to their distance and size. There is pro-Japanese sentiment in both thanks to the axis ensuring their independence. Japan is mostly concerned on maintaining China and Southeast Asia and not South Asia.
 
First post here. Concept is us entry on other side of ww2. This isn't realistic and I'm not sure how to get this to happen but I'm just looking at what would happen if it did happen not why.


Persecution of us Jews etc not req, perhaps have pogrom like Russian empire, but def not on scale like nazis irl


British Caribbean, Bermuda falls very easily as undefended islands. They become us colonies like Virgin Islands. Canada is cold one therefore it takes longer, but eventually falls as isolated from U.K. By ocean. Local mountain guerilla resistance continues in Canada but is not serious threat


Canada is divided disregarding preexisting borders except Québec which becomes nominally ind us puppet. Northern areas became native reserve and ignored.


U.K. Is comparable to Japan, heavily industrialized and protected island takes long time to crack open. US has naval strength to invade, no one else can. After refusing to surrender to intense firebombing, nuclear weapons are first used in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Canterbury. After surrender, UK gets partitioned. Ireland is united, as it should be irl. Scotland and Wales become independent states, influenced by German and American ideals but not under direct control. Kingdom of England has powerless king similar to irl Japan.


Australia and Nz peace out, giving pacific islands such as New Guinea and Nauru to Japan but invading invasion of the mainland. They pledge to remain neutral, but have no choice but to cooperate sometimes considering dependence on foreign trade. Racist White Australia policy remains until today, but at least they tolerated Jews.


India, United Bengal, and Pakistan are freed from British. United Bengal is Japanese satellite while India and Pakistan are more independent due to their distance and size. There is pro-Japanese sentiment in both thanks to the axis ensuring their independence. Japan is mostly concerned on maintaining China and Southeast Asia and not South Asia.

The Jewish people would be wiped out. This
world would become a hellhole.

P.S. It MAY have happened IOTL if some sort
of Fascist coup had overthrown FDR & set up
a right- wing dictatorship during the 1930's.

P.P.PS. Scenarios like this remind one that as bad as things are now IOTL, they could
well have been even worse.
 
The only way this happens is if its the Entente members that are either right or left wing extremists.

Personally, I think it far more likely to see the US in this with the following:

Red Britain with Exile dominions
Red France
Red Spain.
Red Russia

(Alternately, have them go nationalist/fascist in the wake of a German victory in WWI - such as a bunch of anti-Dreyfussards)

Vs Right-wing Mittleeuropa, led by Germany and Poland.

In Asia, you have China go Red early, leaving:

USA
The Central Europeans
Exile Dominions
Japan
Brazil

It's not going to be pretty for the Jewish people if the fascist types are anything like OTL.
 
First post here. Concept is us entry on other side of ww2. This isn't realistic and I'm not sure how to get this to happen but I'm just looking at what would happen if it did happen not why.


Persecution of us Jews etc not req, perhaps have pogrom like Russian empire, but def not on scale like nazis irl


British Caribbean, Bermuda falls very easily as undefended islands. They become us colonies like Virgin Islands. Canada is cold one therefore it takes longer, but eventually falls as isolated from U.K. By ocean. Local mountain guerilla resistance continues in Canada but is not serious threat


Canada is divided disregarding preexisting borders except Québec which becomes nominally ind us puppet. Northern areas became native reserve and ignored.


U.K. Is comparable to Japan, heavily industrialized and protected island takes long time to crack open. US has naval strength to invade, no one else can. After refusing to surrender to intense firebombing, nuclear weapons are first used in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Canterbury. After surrender, UK gets partitioned. Ireland is united, as it should be irl. Scotland and Wales become independent states, influenced by German and American ideals but not under direct control. Kingdom of England has powerless king similar to irl Japan.


Australia and Nz peace out, giving pacific islands such as New Guinea and Nauru to Japan but invading invasion of the mainland. They pledge to remain neutral, but have no choice but to cooperate sometimes considering dependence on foreign trade. Racist White Australia policy remains until today, but at least they tolerated Jews.


India, United Bengal, and Pakistan are freed from British. United Bengal is Japanese satellite while India and Pakistan are more independent due to their distance and size. There is pro-Japanese sentiment in both thanks to the axis ensuring their independence. Japan is mostly concerned on maintaining China and Southeast Asia and not South Asia.
You'll probably not even see a WW2, just an individual German-Soviet War and Sino-Japanese war. Britain and France would be so cowed by US support for Germany that they'd simply allow them to have their hand in the east, perhaps even trade with them. Japan is a variable, depending entirely on how the US handled them, they could invade China with US support in exchange for trading rights in the Chinese market and renounce all of its claims on European colonies in the Pacific.
 
You'll probably not even see a WW2, just an individual German-Soviet War and Sino-Japanese war. Britain and France would be so cowed by US support for Germany that they'd simply allow them to have their hand in the east, perhaps even trade with them. Japan is a variable, depending entirely on how the US handled them, they could invade China with US support in exchange for trading rights in the Chinese market and renounce all of its claims on European colonies in the Pacific.

In this case, how would the Japanese invasion of China go? Would the indigenous Chinese people be completely genocided if Japan won!
 
Okay, how about this.

Germany retains her support for Nationalist China, leading to an official alliance, and a fallout with Japan. When Japan attacks China, Germany can't support them much, but they declare war as a formality. Things go much like OTL, Japan attacks Pearl Harbor, the US and Germany find themselves on the same side (and Britain, ironically), though no actual cooperation happens. However, US does not get involved in Europe, no Lend-Lease, no other support.

ASB-ish, of course.
 
After refusing to surrender to intense firebombing, nuclear weapons are first used in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Canterbury. After surrender, UK gets partitioned.

The Evil U.S. won't have nuclear weapons here: Szilard, Fermi, Teller, Wigner, etc. aren't going to flee to America if we're allying with Hitler; and Oppenheimer may well flee to England to join them. Nor will the U.K. send the Tizard Mission to help us conquer them.

The U.K. won't have the resources to build their own nuclear weapons and delivery systems, so they are probably forced to resort to Operation Vegetarian if they're about to be invaded.
 
Schizophrenic wars can and do happen - the War of the Austrian Succession comes to mind in terms of the Prussian position.

It's entirely possible to have an Axis China and Allied Japan but where the alliance with Japan is limited to Soviet or Axis activities. Japan gets told "you're on your own" if they attack the US or Philippines. They get the stupids and the European Allies go Neutral or co-belligerent against China in the Asian sphere but wholly unsupportive of the Allies.
 
In fact, remember OTL how the Soviet Union was part of the Allies for only the European powers but was neutral with Japan until the very end.
 
In this case, how would the Japanese invasion of China go? Would the indigenous Chinese people be completely genocided if Japan won!
I think it would entirely depend on how the Germans and Americans react. You may have Germany keep supporting China because the US wants China open for trade and may go to war to do so. On the other hand the US may make a deal with the Japanese, bringing them into the Axis. Also the conditions for the US going fascist likely will also create a fascist British Empire. There are plenty of ways one can go with this but no matter how you cut the cake you'll likely see Russia under the jackboot.
 
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