What if the teutonic order defeated poland?

As the title says, I'm not talking about a victory in Tannenberg, I want your opnions about what would have happened if they managed to win the war against Poland
 
I have wondered similar things before about how the Monastic Order of the Teutonic Knights could live, as a viable entity, far, far longer. But perhaps it's better exploring the "how could it happen" before you explore the "what would happen if". Reason being, in my opinion, the former would dictate the character of the latter considerably.

My own thoughts are that a decisive Teutonic Order victory against the Lithuanians during the siege of Vilnius (1390?) could allow this, but the order required many internal reforms before this to create a more durable system of governance. The shape and size of these could allow such an event but of course would have other impacts.

A similar issue would be what to do with the Livonian Order to the north. If memory serves, these guys not only created problems for the Teutonic Order but, through their autonomy, occasionally and deliberately worked against the Order itself (not in the pitched battle sense but in the stubborn, unconstructive sense). Subjugating this region and creating a far more centralised Order would have helped but again, how and at what cost?

Finally, there's also the issue of materiel from Germany proper (who supplied many men, Knights, gold etc. to the Order), so if you can find a way to lessen reliance on Germany (however that might manifest itself, e.g. expansion of the Order into Germany - but obviously not through conquest, as this is a Catholic Organisation that relies on the Pope for legitimacy, amongst other things) then you will be able to achieve a stronger state of affairs pre-siege of Vilnius.

Having said all that I am dubiously far from being an expert on this issue (I just read a really great book not long ago called "The Teutonic Knights: A Military History" by William Urban, which I thought was excellent - an expert may feel differently - nevertheless, I strongly recommend it, even if you don't go through with this TL :) ).

I'm not sure if this has been done before but it would be lovely to see it.
 
I didn't actually answer your question :p. I think a victory against Poland (who were allied with Lithuania if we are talking about the ) would see a very different Teutonic Order emerge from the war. It might also see a Balkanisation of Poland itself (or the exact opposite, i.e. centralisation, given the all the Pieasts and the problems associated with this).

Either way, a victory would need to see and could further engender, the creation of a thriving economy in the lands of the Teutonic Order (TO). It would be helpful if in this victory, the Order acquired some of the highly productive grain producing regions of Poland near the Order's border (I forget which is the most productive, but this would afford the Order a considerable advantage, though how they hold on to such a region over the long term is another issue that would need to be confronted - perhaps the Order could create a situation where Poland looked southwards for territory/expansion/enemies etc.).

This might also see the TO as a real power in the Baltic sea, how this effects the geopolitical situation of that region would be very exciting. I believe for a brief period, the Order also controlled the island of Visby, perhaps you could create a POD where this is included (maybe an earlier Hanseatic League-like might emerge if there was greater stability in the region, allowing more economic development and migration (especially from Germany - impacts on the later times, i.e. post-1600s) could this happen? Ahhhhh, I hope something emerges from this! :D.
 
In 1410 war? TO would gain Samogitia and couple of castles in Poland and Masovia here and there and perhaps some money. Poland would have to accept their claim to the contested lands. That's about it, IMO. If they go further they will overextend themselves and lose.
 
See my [dormant] TL where I explore this very possibility. Currently in process of rewriting/revising for a 2.0.
 
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