There were 3,000 odd Irish infantry during Edward's campaign against Baliol and some 650 Irish Horse and 1,600 infantry during Edward's campaign against the Red Comyn after Falkirk, but I do not believe there were any Irish involved in the campaign against Wallace.
What if the Scottish Nobles had Supported William Wallace at the Battle of Falkirk
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There were 3,000 odd Irish infantry during Edward's campaign against Baliol and some 650 Irish Horse and 1,600 infantry during Edward's campaign against the Red Comyn after Falkirk, but I do not believe there were any Irish involved in the campaign against Wallace.
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And yet "fierce" is not in a way that actually works for this movie.
It's more like trying sound like Darth Vader by coming off like you have a bad cold than Wallace being a Grim Man.
Do I want to ask?
Dark Helmet and Lonestar (Bill Pullman) are in final battle with their "Schwarzsabers". As Dark Helmet clumsily staggers back from Lonestar, he raises his Schwarzsaber up behind him to bring it down in a sweeping arc on Lonestar's head. In doing so, he takes out one of the lighting crew. Not pretty. Those Schwarzsabers were nasty! (1) The rest of the stage crew were pissed!
Moranis was just lucky that at the time Mel Brooks was busy in his trailer taking a noogie break with Anne Bancroft.1) Almost as bad as Spaceballs the Flame Thrower.
I presume this is from the same source as before?
Not trying to sound argumentative - we may disagree on some things but I trust your research (although it appears numbers are predictably - given the era - wide ranging).
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Wow.
Just . . . wow.
Note to self: Do not serve as extra on films involving 'sabers.
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Don't you know the Irish ALWAYS have to be the good guys on American TV and the movies? In "Gangs of New York" they were, when history most emphatically says otherwise. In the brief and unbelievably bad Fox series "Roar", they told the tale of helpless Irish warriors desperately fighting off the ravages of Imperial Roman invaders in 400 AD. When in fact no Roman soldier ever stepped foot in Hibernia/Ireland and it was the Irish who were relentlessly looting, raping, pillaging, and butchering their way through Wales and the western portions of Roman Britain. If EVER in the last 1700 years there was a time that the BRITISH were the innocent victims, and the Irish the unvarnished bad guys, it was in the 4th to 7th centuries AD.
BUT, the truth just doesn't sell...
And I'M IRISH-AMERICAN!
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Usertron:
Wow.
Just . . . wow.
Note to self: Do not serve as extra on films involving 'sabers.
I guess you didn't see "Spaceballs".
BTW, do you realize how many extras (Soviet soldiers) died making the Soviet-Italian film "Waterloo"?
Enough to put Disney out of business if THEY had made the film.i'm curious about that - how many?I guess you didn't see "Spaceballs".
BTW, do you realize how many extras (Soviet soldiers) died making the Soviet-Italian film "Waterloo"?
Are these Irish "Irish" or Scots "Irish"? Gallowgass mercenaries were used by both sides
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Imagine trying to fake a Scottish accent while desperately trying to maintain a baseline American nasal twang so your true Aussie lilt doesn't break through! No wonder he had such a fierce expression on his face. Juggling three different accents in his head while memorizing his lines, keeping to his key light positions, and while doing this not falling off his horse or accidently hacking some poor extra's arm off!
Don't forget what Rick Moranis did (as Dark Helmet) to that poor stagehand!
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AUSSIES?
Rick Moranis is Canadian.As to Australia? How could I have a problem with a country that has saved the world from a genocidal alien invasion?
Or didn't you notice who it was who destroyed the alien mother ship and saved the ship and crew of the USS Missouri? Surely you didn't miss seeing "Battleship"? Everybody who didn't see it thinks it was an Americawank. It was actually an America-Japan-Australiawank. Australia, FUCK YEAH!!!usertron2020
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Good luck finding out. You probably COULD have found out during the Yeltsin Era, but with Putin in charge...
I remember back in the 1970s there was talk that most of the deaths and injuries occurred during the scene of the final advance of Napoleon's Imperial Guard (notice how terrifyingly close those explosions seemed to be to the advancing troops?). And this was in the Brezhnev Era. With Mosfilm as Dino de Laurentis' primary backers, and the star Soviet director Sergei Bondarchuk in charge of filming, de Laurentis was in little position to have any say even if he was personally in the field at the time.At least some of them came from the estates of Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster who, according to Marc Morris, was the noble who was paid the most handsomely for his service to Edward I.
Very well, i shall forgive you.
As to Australia? How could I have a problem with a country that has saved the world from a genocidal alien invasion?
But i am watching you!
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But still, what could have kept some individual irish troops from just switching to the other side during battle? In the movie they ran on ahead in front of their officers before switching sides.
Are you suggesting Braveheart got it right?
The most obvious problem with this is that their families end up being evicted or worse.
The Irish never switched sides. Really, Braveheart is less accurate than Blind Harry.
- It had the battle of Stirling Bridge on an open field
- It had William Wallace shag the Princess of Wales, who was in otl a 9 year old girl living in France and never married until after Wallace died. This never happened.
- Prima Nocte never happened.
- Wallace was from the lowlands, so he would not be wearing Plaid.
- It had Edward take Scotland when Wallace was a boy. It all kicked off when Wallace was an adult.
- King Robert the Bruces father was not a leper, indeed King Robert died a leper himself.
- Before Wallace was captured, he travelled to Rome to meet the Pope to lobby his case.
- Bannockburn never happened as in the movie. It was the culmination of a guerilla war to liberate Scotland.