The Pilgrims who founded Plymouth were originally intending to land and settle further south, in Manhattan or the mouth of the Hudson. Say they did land there and did not get diverted by landing at Cape Cod when they were low on provisions and beer.
The Dutch had scoped out the area and founded a fort at Albany up the Hudson, but had not yet set up any permanent establishments or buildings on Manhattan.
Could the Dutch at this time have successfully contested sovereignty over the Plymouth settlers in the lower Hudson Valley? A Plymouth-in-Manhattan might end up as an autonomous community under Dutch rule. If it came to blows between England and Netherlands in the 1620s over control of the Hudson, I do not know for sure which side would win.
I could see anything from Dutch-ruled pilgrims, to Dutch armed Iroquois killing them off, to an English "New England" largely set up in the Middle Atlantic region instead of its historical location, which at the same time aborts New Netherlands, New Sweden and the Quaker-founded Pennsylvania, at least in their OTL locations.
Your thoughts on how things would go?
The Dutch had scoped out the area and founded a fort at Albany up the Hudson, but had not yet set up any permanent establishments or buildings on Manhattan.
Could the Dutch at this time have successfully contested sovereignty over the Plymouth settlers in the lower Hudson Valley? A Plymouth-in-Manhattan might end up as an autonomous community under Dutch rule. If it came to blows between England and Netherlands in the 1620s over control of the Hudson, I do not know for sure which side would win.
I could see anything from Dutch-ruled pilgrims, to Dutch armed Iroquois killing them off, to an English "New England" largely set up in the Middle Atlantic region instead of its historical location, which at the same time aborts New Netherlands, New Sweden and the Quaker-founded Pennsylvania, at least in their OTL locations.
Your thoughts on how things would go?