What if the Nazis decided to seek Lebensraum in Sub-Saharan Africa?

In ww2 the Hitler told Stalin that because of the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact Germany no longer sook Lebensraum in eastern Europe but in Sub-Saharan Africa. Obviously this was such a load of B.S. that even the Soviets didn't buy it. But what if -hypothetically- the Nazis made it part of their ideology to seek Lebensraum in Africa instead of the east? I know this is practically impossible but on a hypothetical level how would this change the war effort and how the allies view the Nazis. BTW for the purpose of this scenario lets imagine they still hate the Soviets but perhaps instead of killing all the west and east Slavs they have some other aim with them and still plan on attacking the Soviets eventually ,and still declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor.
 
It might affect their relationship with Italy. I believe the latter wanted to do something similar in Africa, starting with Libya being their "Fourth Shore" and grand designs on Tunisia and Egypt.
 
I suppose a timeline with a Reichskongo would be interesting, and might even butterfly away the Holocaust if the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question" is extradition to a Madagascar penal colony rather than outright extermination. I'm at a loss for how it could come about but it would certainly make for a fascinating if not necessarily realistic scenario.
 
I suppose a timeline with a Reichskongo would be interesting, and might even butterfly away the Holocaust if the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question" is extradition to a Madagascar penal colony rather than outright extermination. I'm at a loss for how it could come about but it would certainly make for a fascinating if not necessarily realistic scenario.
maybe alter Hitler's anti-semitism, so that he feels like all the Jewish people should be expelled from Europe but left alive? So to "contain" Them they get dumped on an island?
 
maybe alter Hitler's anti-semitism, so that he feels like all the Jewish people should be expelled from Europe but left alive? So to "contain" Them they get dumped on an island?
Makes sense, the second "Carter and Lovecraft" book by Robert L. Howard involves an alt-history where Nazi Germany is a superpower, all the Jews were exiled to Madagascar, and the Final Solution was aimed solely at the Soviets, so it doesn't have nearly the same negative connotation among the Western Allies.
 
Makes sense, the second "Carter and Lovecraft" book by Robert L. Howard involves an alt-history where Nazi Germany is a superpower, all the Jews were exiled to Madagascar, and the Final Solution was aimed solely at the Soviets, so it doesn't have nearly the same negative connotation among the Western Allies.
Would an AANW-style scenario be compatible with a "dump the Jews in Madagascar"-type alternate reality?
 
Would it alter racism in America that their enemy's stated goal was to wipe out the majority of blacks in areas suited for white settlement? Perhaps the Germans could have a temporary alliance with the Soviets and both plan to backstab each other later after they defeat the Allies.
 
The volkisch nationalists had been advocating eastward expansion since the nineteenth century. I guess Hitler could decide to seek it in Africa, but it would be very unpopular among most of the far right.
 
I suppose a timeline with a Reichskongo would be interesting, and might even butterfly away the Holocaust if the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question" is extradition to a Madagascar penal colony rather than outright extermination. I'm at a loss for how it could come about but it would certainly make for a fascinating if not necessarily realistic scenario.

The Madagascar Plan would've been tantamount to a death sentence. Scores of Jews would've died of hunger or disease, and the survivors would have been subjected to abuse and murder by the SS.
 
I know Berlin lacks any concerns about the well-being of the locals, but where in Africa would Europeans want to live? Air conditioning was barely coming in to its own as a cheap, commonplace appliance at this time, and vast stretches of Africa south of the Sahara are either semi arid Sahel or jungle. Malaria would be a major concern for anyone trying to live in the tropics.

This would basically amount to getting Namibia back, or a comical attempt to conquer and Germanize South Africa.

If they go for the Kenyan highlands it could be the backstory of an action movie where Barack Obama teams up with Maasai warriors to fight the Nazi occupiers, but that's about it.
 
Would an AANW-style scenario be compatible with a "dump the Jews in Madagascar"-type alternate reality?

Maybe defeating Stalin makes Hitler have "mercy" in the Jews so he decides to "only" sending them to Madagascar.

(Nazi propaganda once made a cartoon where some Madagassian - black, of course - complains that they weren't asked. But that's nazi humor to you.)
 
Lots of malaria. Lots of would be settlers dying.

The whole thing would go nowhere and between the death-toll and the expenses would bankrupt Germany to a degree where they would not be too much of a danger to everyone else.

Incidental effects might include far better and more advanced tropical diseases knowledge and that the targets of Nazi Germany's would be colonialism would have one of the better infrastructures on the continent as far as rail and roads and canals and telephone networks are concerned. That would give the country a leg up once they recover from the ill fated colonization attempt and whatever European power would follow after that to finally gain their independence.
 
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