What if The kaiser was brought back?

To start you off:
In 1923, Hitler was getting more popular and it was getting more clear to the world how much hate was trapped in this man.
When Hitler coop failed, he was shot. But the people of Germany demanded change and a brand new party promised that change. The Monarchy of Germany party (TMOGP)
 
You'd need a different branch of the family. Wilhelm II was thoroughly discredited. Plus with Germany being reunified only a half century earlier, there wasn't enough of a national tradition.
 

SsgtC

Banned
I don't think there's enough support for a Kaiser to be crowned pre WWII. Maybe after WWII in an ATL where Germany isn't split in two, you might see a Kaiser as a figurehead.
 

RousseauX

Donor
I don't think there's enough support for a Kaiser to be crowned pre WWII. Maybe after WWII in an ATL where Germany isn't split in two, you might see a Kaiser as a figurehead.
Yes there was, a huge part of the German right was monarchists and at least a plurality of the population would have accepted a king

A german monarchy would have actually being very stabilizing in the interbellum
 

NoMommsen

Donor
Would it have to be a Hohenzollern ?

If, whoever founds the TMOGP (or MFD in german : "Monarchie für Deutschland") is not bound to choose a Hohenzollern I would like to point into the direction of this young man :
Albert Leopold Friedrich Christian Sylvester Anno Macarius, Prince of Saxony, Duke of Saxony, Margrave of Meissen
of the house of the albertine Wettins.
Since his elder brother decided to become a priest, he was - kind of - heir presumptive to the saxon crown from 1919 onwards, finally becomming it in summer 1924, when his brother was finally fully made a priest.
Himself a catholic (might get some "votes" in the Center-party regions, the saxon house of kings was quite liked (mostly due to the "old" king Friedrich August III.) and rather liberal (i.e. introducing a more democratic franchise system, than ... "usual" in 1909 [at least more democratic than in Prussia]).
 

SsgtC

Banned
But would Prussia agree to that? That might be a sticking point for them

Would it have to be a Hohenzollern ?

If, whoever founds the TMOGP (or MFD in german : "Monarchie für Deutschland") is not bound to choose a Hohenzollern I would like to point into the direction of this young man :
Albert Leopold Friedrich Christian Sylvester Anno Macarius, Prince of Saxony, Duke of Saxony, Margrave of Meissen
of the house of the Wettins.
Since his elder brother decided to become a priest, he was - kind of - heir presumptive to the saxon crown from 1919 onwards, finally becomming it in summer 1924, when his brother was finally fully made a priest.
Himself a catholic (might get some "votes" in the Center-party regions, the saxon house of kings was quite liked (mostly due to the "old" king Friedrich August III.) and rather liberal (i.e. introducing a more democratic franchise system, than ... "usual" in 1909 [at least more democratic than in Prussia]).
 

NoMommsen

Donor
Problem is : to get a Hohenzollern you need the approval of Wilhelm II, as he is the head of the whole house of Hohenzollern including all "side-lines".
And somehow I've got the feeling he wouldn't allow any Hohenzollern to become the king of a republic, at least at the beginning embroiled in democratic, parliamentary, political electorial fights.
 
Crown Prince Wilhelm wanted to run for the presidency in 1932 if I'm remembering correctly, Wilhelm told him no when he asked for permission. If the Crown Prince decides to run anyways or just doesn't ask his father I think he stands a good chance of winning the election.
 

NoMommsen

Donor
I think Crown Prince Wilhelm (the kaiser's son) was interested in politics around this time. He would probably be acceptable.

- BNC
But only to the DNVP blokes as ...
He was also tainted by being the "butcher of verdun"
... would make any acceptance by the Entente-powers impossible.Most likely they would not accept any Hohenzollern at all, as they were rendered (esp. also the Crown Prince) as war criminals.

@thezerech
If the Crown prince had not asked his father to become president (quasi-monarch) or - even worse - ignored Wilhelm II judgement, he would have been thrown out of the House of Hohenzollern completly, Wilhelm II would have not only had him, but would have renounced any connection to him, making him an a fatherless "common".
Thereby he would loose any "monarchic magic", being completly isolated from any other noble worldwide. And ... well Wilhem the-hoped-for-III had neither the wits nor the abilities to convince anybody of his "royal aptitude" by his own doings (essentially he was quite a dude).
 
He was also tainted by being the "butcher of verdun"

Then what about his son? The Crown Prince's son disobeyed the Kaiser when told who not to marry in 1930's, which at the time required him to renounce any rights to the succession for himself and his kids. Maybe not a stretch to see him run for office (he's too young for president at this time). Once in government again ... calls grow for other leadership roles?
 
The Versailles Treaty didn't provide anything regarding Germany's government form. As such, neither Frence or Britain could legally complain if the Hohenzollerns were reinstated.
 
It was my understanding that both Wilhelm II and the Crown Prince specifically abdicated. That to me offers any restoration to the grandson assuming Wilhelm would allow it and I think he was hoping to get "invited" back to mend his bruised ego. Thus the question is whether it must be a Hohenzollern or if another King might be given the Kaiser tag? If it must be a Hohenzollern then you have the grandsons after 1941 assuming the Crown Prince is willing to respect being head of the House but barred by his abdication. My favorite discussion here was having the Nazis fade after Eckener runs for President, that seems to offer a better leader for the right as it reasserts itself and might se a restoration of the monarchy timing after the death of Wilhelm II. Here you avoid the second world war and the Republic must navigate the Depression and face Russian revanchism. I think it is a very fascinating departure and alternate history.
 
But only to the DNVP blokes as ...
... would make any acceptance by the Entente-powers impossible.Most likely they would not accept any Hohenzollern at all, as they were rendered (esp. also the Crown Prince) as war criminals.

@thezerech
If the Crown prince had not asked his father to become president (quasi-monarch) or - even worse - ignored Wilhelm II judgement, he would have been thrown out of the House of Hohenzollern completly, Wilhelm II would have not only had him, but would have renounced any connection to him, making him an a fatherless "common".
Thereby he would loose any "monarchic magic", being completly isolated from any other noble worldwide. And ... well Wilhem the-hoped-for-III had neither the wits nor the abilities to convince anybody of his "royal aptitude" by his own doings (essentially he was quite a dude).
This is alternate history. We just change Wilhelm's mind. He decides Germany is more important than his pride and allows the Crown Prince to run. Frankly, I think its a decision he regretted.
 
How old had you to be in order to be eligible as President? The Kronprinz' eldest son was only 26 in 1932.

I wondered about Rupprecht of Bavaria, either if Hindenburg didn't run in 1925 or died c1930. The Prussians might be unhappy, but might be mollified by a hint that Rupprecht would only be "keeping the seat warm" for one of the younger Hohenzollerns. OTL he lived until 1955, by which time the latter would have been of quite mature years.
 
I'd like to see someone pull it off.

Bonus points if it's a post fall of France coup against Hitler that restores the monarch without anger the Germans.
 
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