What if the Eddy Rebellion had succeded?

Well if New Brunswick becomes apart of the US, the Loyalists will have to flee elsewhere, probably even heavier settlement of Upper Canada and possibly even settlement in Prince Ruperts Land, so maybe an earlier Metis Rebellion as a result.
 
That's a damn good point. Having the extra state wouldn't be a big deal to the U.S., but it would have knock-on effects on Canada. Not to mention how it may change the War of 1812. Oh, and the U.S. gets a few Acadians.

Does anyone else think the scenario is fair? The U.S. has the region that became New Brunswick, but not the rest of Nova Scotia?
 
It might lead to other places joining the U.S. as well, IIRC part of the reason Canada Confederated was because some in PEI were talking about joining the United States, and later on, assuming it still exists, and is'nt settled by loyalists, their's a much better chance of Newfoundland (and maybe Labrador to) joining the U.S. as well.
 
It would definitely create a bigger boundary between the remaining Atlantic Colonies, like Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and the loyalist colonies in the West.
 
I never understood those 19th century proposals. Surely the inhabitants of the Atlantic provinces were loyal to the crown?

Some were, other were more concerned with things that actually mattered, like not at some point being screwed over by say beig forcefully merged into a larger polity and not haveing as much representation.
 
I'm just aiming for the lowest amount of butterflies affect the course of the world- capturing Halifax is out, the place is a military fortress.

Definitely interested in speculating what the knock-on effects are. So what would this new state be? I think Jonathan Eddy or Richard John Uniacke becomes its first governor. Would they name it something other than Nova Scotia, since the eastern portion of the former province is still in British hands? Anyone want to come up with a state seal and all that?
 
I'm just aiming for the lowest amount of butterflies affect the course of the world- capturing Halifax is out, the place is a military fortress.

Definitely interested in speculating what the knock-on effects are. So what would this new state be? I think Jonathan Eddy or Richard John Uniacke becomes its first governor. Would they name it something other than Nova Scotia, since the eastern portion of the former province is still in British hands? Anyone want to come up with a state seal and all that?

New Brunswick at the time was a largely unpopulated section of Nova Scotia. It will have to be filled with American settlers to remain in US Hands. It actually might force the loyalists in Sunbury county into Nova Scotia, creating the ultimate Loyalist province. And it would likely become the State of Sunbury.
 
Sunbury. Sounds like a really cool name.

I wonder if the Isthmus of Chignecto will be some sort of flashpoint between the U.S. and Canada.

How will having a few more miles of snow affect the War of 1812? I assume it's less about having that territory already be in American hands, and more about where the Loyalists go in the ATL.

Again, does anyone else agree that the scenario of having the New Brunswick area west of the isthmus be in U.S. hands, while the rest of Nova Scotia remain in the British thanks to the presence of Fort Halifax, is a plausible scenario? Because I'm distinctly trying not to go for "the Patriots overrun everything and then march up to Quebec and 'liberate' the Frenchies and then they sail to Newfoundland and conquer it also." Having the Eddy Rebellion succeed is like the smallest thing I can think of, and I'm wondering if it's the most plausible we'll ever get to the U.S. having bits of Canada, because, well, there were actual revolutionary sympathizers in Nova Scotia (west of the isthmus, at least).

Maybe this U.S. gets the Bahamas or Bermuda in addition, but that's it.
 
Sunbury. Sounds like a really cool name.

I wonder if the Isthmus of Chignecto will be some sort of flashpoint between the U.S. and Canada.

How will having a few more miles of snow affect the War of 1812? I assume it's less about having that territory already be in American hands, and more about where the Loyalists go in the ATL.

Again, does anyone else agree that the scenario of having the New Brunswick area west of the isthmus be in U.S. hands, while the rest of Nova Scotia remain in the British thanks to the presence of Fort Halifax, is a plausible scenario? Because I'm distinctly trying not to go for "the Patriots overrun everything and then march up to Quebec and 'liberate' the Frenchies and then they sail to Newfoundland and conquer it also." Having the Eddy Rebellion succeed is like the smallest thing I can think of, and I'm wondering if it's the most plausible we'll ever get to the U.S. having bits of Canada, because, well, there were actual revolutionary sympathizers in Nova Scotia (west of the isthmus, at least).

Maybe this U.S. gets the Bahamas or Bermuda in addition, but that's it.

I think it sounds plausible. All except the last bit about gaining islands despite the seas being patrolled by the Royal Navy.
 
Sunbury. Sounds like a really cool name.

I wonder if the Isthmus of Chignecto will be some sort of flashpoint between the U.S. and Canada.

How will having a few more miles of snow affect the War of 1812? I assume it's less about having that territory already be in American hands, and more about where the Loyalists go in the ATL.

Again, does anyone else agree that the scenario of having the New Brunswick area west of the isthmus be in U.S. hands, while the rest of Nova Scotia remain in the British thanks to the presence of Fort Halifax, is a plausible scenario? Because I'm distinctly trying not to go for "the Patriots overrun everything and then march up to Quebec and 'liberate' the Frenchies and then they sail to Newfoundland and conquer it also." Having the Eddy Rebellion succeed is like the smallest thing I can think of, and I'm wondering if it's the most plausible we'll ever get to the U.S. having bits of Canada, because, well, there were actual revolutionary sympathizers in Nova Scotia (west of the isthmus, at least).

Maybe this U.S. gets the Bahamas or Bermuda in addition, but that's it.

Having *Sunbury as a state wouldn't be that huge but if the War of 1812 happened it would depend on how the Americans played it. If they chose to remain defensive in Sunbury and to keep the offensive aimed at York and Upper Canada.
 
Sunbury. Sounds like a really cool name.

I wonder if the Isthmus of Chignecto will be some sort of flashpoint between the U.S. and Canada.

How will having a few more miles of snow affect the War of 1812? I assume it's less about having that territory already be in American hands, and more about where the Loyalists go in the ATL.

Again, does anyone else agree that the scenario of having the New Brunswick area west of the isthmus be in U.S. hands, while the rest of Nova Scotia remain in the British thanks to the presence of Fort Halifax, is a plausible scenario? Because I'm distinctly trying not to go for "the Patriots overrun everything and then march up to Quebec and 'liberate' the Frenchies and then they sail to Newfoundland and conquer it also." Having the Eddy Rebellion succeed is like the smallest thing I can think of, and I'm wondering if it's the most plausible we'll ever get to the U.S. having bits of Canada, because, well, there were actual revolutionary sympathizers in Nova Scotia (west of the isthmus, at least).

Maybe this U.S. gets the Bahamas or Bermuda in addition, but that's it.

I wonder if some support from the 13 colonies would have tipped the scale. If, the forces that traveled the fall/winter previously would have been assigned to aid Eddy. in 1775 and into 1776, Arnold would not go to Quebec City but would still defend Lake Champlain. Montgomery would still perish, perhaps in an attempt to defend Montreal or Three Rivers. The main thing is that the troops that went North in 1775 would go Northeast in 1776 to capture Ft. Cumberland along with Eddy.

Ultimately, I do not see the Patriots holding the fort. The British can siege the fort in 1777 capturing all inside.

For what is a good chance of the Patriots capturing part of what is now Canada, another good attempt would be in 1779 with a more successful Sullivan Campaign that captures Ft. Niagara and then aids Clarke to capture Ft. Detroit.

Another good chance are the butterfly effects from the scenario by benjamin where Washington is successful in the battle of Germantown.
 
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