What if the Bakker Schut Plan would succeed?

What would happen if the Dutch would succeed at gaining German territory after World War II?
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North-west Europe would probably look like this:

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To get this to happen you have to have a much more vindictive allied occupation which probably requires less of a Soviet threat and more French influence so I think the PoD has to be during the war.
 
The Netherlands would have a larger German minority, Germany would be pissed off, France and the Netherlands would be friendlier, but I could only see it gaining so much territory if it was really really really ravaged by the Germans far more than OTL. If that is the case, everyone else is getting some territory from Germany more than OTL. France would probably get the Saar and Belgium would have its border extended further east.
 
It certainly needs a more vengeful attitude to Germany post war. Perhaps the PoD is the Nazis carry out a Scorched Earth policy in Holland, destroying dikes and pumping stations causing large areas of land to be flooded. As compensation the Dutch get a chunk of NW Germany and as in Silesia and East Prussia the Germans are forcibly expelled?
 
It certainly needs a more vengeful attitude to Germany post war. Perhaps the PoD is the Nazis carry out a Scorched Earth policy in Holland, destroying dikes and pumping stations causing large areas of land to be flooded. As compensation the Dutch get a chunk of NW Germany and as in Silesia and East Prussia the Germans are forcibly expelled?

I'd imagine the Morgenthau Plan, minus all the mass murder and sterilizations. Just expulsions and forcing any Germans that remain to renounce their "German-ness".
 
I disagree about the need for Germany to treat Holland badly, what you need is a greater desire on the part of the British and Americans to treat Germany badly. The way to see a significant Dutch annexation happen is by getting Britain and America to come over to the French view of "the problem with Versailles was it wasn't harsh enough" rather than trying to rebuild Germany and for that I think you need a less threatening Soviet Union, meaning less need for a strong bulwark. Maybe have Germany do better in the East and have the allies meet not on the Elbe but east of Berlin, that way you'd have higher Western Allied casualties due to the greater distance to advance and possibly an a different eastern border with Pomerania and Silesia remaining German. With more vengeful allies (thanks to higher casualties) with less need to keep Germany happy and strong, with less of a refugee problem and a larger and thus more threatening Germany the idea of significant western territorial changes would be much more popular.
 
I'd imagine the Morgenthau Plan, minus all the mass murder and sterilizations. Just expulsions and forcing any Germans that remain to renounce their "German-ness".

unlikely, the area added is ost-friesland, a part of germany that has as much in common with the netherlands as with the rest of germany.
 
The original plan was force out the local Germans and repopulate the area with Flems and Dutch. Suffice to say in practice it would have been a nightmare.
 

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The original plan was force out the local Germans and repopulate the area with Flems and Dutch. Suffice to say in practice it would have been a nightmare.

I think it will be dropped fast, we will likely see a few thousands deported, mostly people with connection with the Nazi party, but also the people protesting the Dutch occupation too much. But in the end the depotations will be given up, as Germany can't take the extra refugees, the English won't accept the Dutch deportations to their occupation zones. I expect the Dutch to get buyers remorse in the decades afterward, but they won't deliver it back, rather we will see a mix of trying to integrate the Germans, setting up a separate national indentity (Low German/Saxon and East Frisian) and giving minority rights to the people identifying as Germans.
 
POD: The German offensive through the Ardennes in 1940 fails and/or a more general Low Countries offensive is tried instead, the blitzkrieg is halted by the French with the Dutch grimly holding on behind the Water Line, despite German terror bombing. Upon victory, the Western Allies decide that Versailles wasn't tough enough, and annex the Rhineland to France and the Bakker-Schut areas to the Netherlands - as compensation for the "uniquely odious German atrocities" in bombing Rotterdam (and later Amsterdam ITTL). The Soviets declare war late and take over Poland + East Prussia, probably set up a "German People's ASSR" in the area.
 
What would happen if the Dutch would succeed at gaining German territory after World War II?
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The Netherlands would be guilty of ethnic cleansing and war crimes against German citizens, unless they aren't willing to continue through with the massive deportations. In that case the Netherlands will have a minority problem they are unable to handle and (most of) the land will be returned to western Germany.

The Bakker Schut plan was a megalomanic idea I am glad never happened.
 
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