What if the axis were winning (but had not yet won) WWII?

LONDON, 1946
The crowd watched in horror as the union jack was lowered from the top of parliament. WW2 had been going badly for the allies from the start. First, the evacuation from Dunkirk had been stopped by relentless Luftwaffe assaults. Only 70 000 British, French, and Belgian troops had been evacuated. Then, the Japanese launched a surprise attack and captured India. And to top matters off, the Italians had captured all of north Africa. But Britain and her Commonwealth fought on. But the last straw had come a week ago, when Germany's panzers rolled into Moscow. Churchill's surrender speech had come barely a day after that. The Germans landed on the shores of Britain, where they advanced up the isles. Things were looking dismal for the allies, But across the ocean, the USA, Canada, Australia, Brazil and New Zealand fought on.

I would appreciate input on what should come next! What do you think will happen?
 
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LONDON, 1946
The crowd watched in horror as the union jack was lowered from the top of parliament. WW2 had been going badly for the allies from the start. First, the evacuation from Dunkirk had been stopped by relentless Luftwaffe assaults. Only 70 000 British, French, and Belgian troops had been evacuated. Then, the Japanese launched a surprise attack and captured India. And to top matters off, the Italians had captured all of north Africa. But Britain and her Commonwealth fought on. But the last straw had come a week ago, when Germany's panzers rolled into Moscow. Churchill's surrender speech had come barely a day after that. The Germans landed on the shores of Britain, where they advanced, unopposed, up the isles. Things were looking dismal for the allies, But across the ocean, the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand fought on.

I would appreciate input on what should come next! What do you think will happen?

How-how-how how-how where did the Royal Navy US Navy go where id the red army go where did the Indian army go where did us PACFLEET go where did the Chinese go where did the allied competence go and where did the Chinese go where did the atom bomb and WTF happen to the Finnish
 
How-how-how how-how where did the Royal Navy US Navy go where id the red army go where did the Indian army go where did us PACFLEET go where did the Chinese go where did the allied competence go and where did the Chinese go where did the atom bomb and WTF happen to the Finnish
Honestly, this entire scenario is based on the axis destroying the allied armies with surprise attacks much as it did in France, except all over the world. To respond to the British-US navy thing In this scenario the British navy was too stretched out over the world, especially in Africa where the Italians were shreking everything, and the rest that was protecting Britain was weakened by the Luftwaffe, U-boats and the Bismarck. The red army was still suffering from Stalin's purge, and was mostly inexperienced, and there was the fact that Georgy Zhukov was killed in Stalin's purge. The Chinese were occupied in a standoff with the Japanese forces that is still going, though China is notably not at war with Germany or Italy. The US navy was concentrating on defending Hawaii and Alaska, where a Japanese task force had landed and was battling for Anchorage. The Atom bomb research had not been completed, but it was almost finished when the soviet union surrendered. The Finnish were annexed by Germany, under the banner of 'protecting our allies from the USSR', but it was just a pretext for controlling more territory.
 
Atom bomb research was halted when India was captured in hopes of diverting production to easier, conventional weapons to halt the nazis but when it became clear in would not work they started working on it again.
 
And here I thought we would fight in the beaches.

C̶h̶u̶r̶c̶h̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶s̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶l̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶r̶o̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶n̶.̶ ̶E̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶e̶l̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶h̶a̶u̶s̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶B̶r̶i̶t̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶A̶r̶m̶y̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶v̶y̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶i̶n̶l̶a̶n̶d̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶v̶a̶n̶t̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶v̶a̶n̶t̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶'̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶G̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶c̶r̶o̶s̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶n̶e̶l̶.̶ ̶A̶l̶s̶o̶,̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶S̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶a̶t̶e̶r̶?̶ ̶B̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶e̶n̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶p̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶a̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶c̶e̶n̶a̶r̶i̶o̶.̶ ̶

Eh, actually, I'm curious to see where this is going.
 
Atom bomb research was halted when India was captured in hopes of diverting production to easier, conventional weapons to halt the nazis but when it became clear in would not work they started working on it again.

Mate do you know how big India is? The Japanese couldn't get beyond the Chinese coast with far superior logistics to what they'd have here. By surprise attack that means, presumably, they bypass Singapore? Burma?

And what, they land 100k troops in Delhi? How do they resupply?
 
C̶h̶u̶r̶c̶h̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶s̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶l̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶r̶o̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶n̶.̶ ̶E̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶e̶l̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶h̶a̶u̶s̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶B̶r̶i̶t̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶A̶r̶m̶y̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶v̶y̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶i̶n̶l̶a̶n̶d̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶v̶a̶n̶t̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶v̶a̶n̶t̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶'̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶G̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶c̶r̶o̶s̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶n̶e̶l̶.̶ ̶A̶l̶s̶o̶,̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶S̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶a̶t̶e̶r̶?̶ ̶B̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶e̶n̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶p̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶a̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶c̶e̶n̶a̶r̶i̶o̶.̶ ̶
I'm not saying there wouldn't be resistance or even open rebellion in Britain. Churchill surrendered after an exhausting fight dragged out in all corners in the world. And no, the US would not just give up. this scenario is mostly but not all just based on the axis having dumb luck. and there are ways to keep the soldiers from coming, and to make the US focus more on the Atlantic war. For example, if you took the u-boats designated to defend Norway and made them sink convoys off the American coast when the US just entered the war and the peacetime routines were still in place, you could deal a serious blow to the American war machine.
 
Basically I think you're looking for a closer WWII, like, instead of a 101-83 beat down where the underdogs got a 10 point lead in the first quarter, went into halftime tied, and got crushed in the 2nd half, it's a 100-96 down to the wire slugfest.
 
Basically I think you're looking for a closer WWII, like, instead of a 101-83 beat down where the underdogs got a 10 point lead in the first quarter, went into halftime tied, and got crushed in the 2nd half, it's a 100-96 down to the wire slugfest.
I have no idea what you just said, but sure. Why not.
 
I'm sorry but at this point, the USN should consist of some 30+ fleet carriers 30 battleships or so a thousand destroyers IIRC and a few hundred cruisers the Japanese would be crushed six ways to Sunday starving from American subs and slowly having its island garrisons wither on the vine due to lack of supply. Japan's out allied air superiority should have been established in the med due to raw numbers more than anything else same in Europe where the skies over the UK should be filled with allied aircraft you also got the P80 shooting star entering squadron service and thousands of American troops.
 
Also, Germany and Japan can't spread out the Allies on troops/ships by widening the conflict further. It's not Civ where I can just kind of throw armies around the board, they need supply lines--think of how Germany had a slight benefit in the Battle of the Bulge from actually having to defend less of Western Europe at that point. Even if they're trying these fantastical operations, the allies would still have more troops and economic output to counter all this. Now, this would be problematic for the Germans if they are going to try to start trading ships in the Atlantic, but by the mid 40s, the US is going to be outpacing them dramatically in replacing arms.

...now all of this being said, I want to see some B-36 Peacemakers and LeMay go to town in the late 40s on the Reich, so I'm up for more updates.
 
EDINBURGH, 1946
"WE WILL FINISH WHAT WE STARTED! WE WILL FIGHT!" And so ended a speech denouncing the government for surrendering and pledging to fight on. In the sky, the remnants of the British air force flew overhead, squadrons of spitfires, hurricanes, gladiators, mosquitos, and stirlings. At the harbour, American troops were unloading, and a couple of Canadian corvettes patrolled for subs. But the real hope came from what had just landed at the airfield, For Britain's resistance had just been given the first combat ready B-36. The fortified city was prepared for the worst.
LONDON
Hermann Goering was driving down a London road, surveying the land he had recently conquered. He was tasked with preparing for the Fuhrer's arrival. He was paying too much attention to his job to notice a man throw something out a window. It landed in between his feet, and as he realized what it was, it was too late. The explosion could be heard a kilometre away.
 
MUMBAI
The Japanese forces were in shambles. They had not had anything to eat for days, and had not slept for nobody knows how long. Relentless counterattacks from the Indian army had put the advance on hold, and troop convoy after troop convoy were being sunk by the Americans. The Japanese high command was considering retreating to more stable beachheads to the south. But for now, the soldiers barely held their ground.


Ideas on what should happen next?
 
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