What if texas had been defeated by Mexico

What if the mexican army had been able to defeat the Texan rebels, Not so far fetched since the texans were outnumbered hopelessly
 
the stated goals for Mexico were pretty clear. American immigration would be stopped, taxes and customs would be properly collected... basically, Texas would be put under control of the Mexican government. I always thought that the Texas revolution was an odd parallel of the American Revolution; both were areas that had been neglected by the mother country, both had preferential tax and customs rules, both rebelled when the mother country sought to establish real control over them, and both succeeded against long odds.

One of Santa Anna's stated goals was to free the slaves that the Americans had brought down with them from the USA... rather hypocritically, since wealthy Mexicans had out and out slaves as well, mostly natives who served as house servants... in spite of the fact that slavery was illegal in Mexico...
 
You might see Mexico adopt the colonial Spanish practice, colonize the area with tribes loyal to the state. Perhaps they also might dump rebellious Mayans there.

They might also invite tribes from Oklahoma Territory to be a buffer vs the US, as they later did with Kickapoo and Seminole.
 
the stated goals for Mexico were pretty clear. American immigration would be stopped, taxes and customs would be properly collected... basically, Texas would be put under control of the Mexican government. I always thought that the Texas revolution was an odd parallel of the American Revolution; both were areas that had been neglected by the mother country, both had preferential tax and customs rules, both rebelled when the mother country sought to establish real control over them, and both succeeded against long odds.

My undertanding is he also wanted to kick out the Americans already there. Or is that wrong?
 
If Mexico was smart, they'd grant Texan independence under the circumstance that the border is the Rio Grande(no westward expanasion), and it's prohibited from joining the United States.

This would ensure Mexico a buffer state so to say, and likely allow them to retain California and New Mexico.
 

Nikephoros

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If Mexico was smart, they'd grant Texan independence under the circumstance that the border is the Rio Grande(no westward expanasion), and it's prohibited from joining the United States.

This would ensure Mexico a buffer state so to say, and likely allow them to retain California and New Mexico.

Which might possibly only delay the inevitable. If Americans continue to move to Texas (and I'm not convinced Mexico can stop them) it will come to a time when Mexico will be forced to give them up.
 

Dialga

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With Texas (and California) still in Mexican hands, Western expansion would have taken a more Oregon-based approach. A more northerly-based Western expansion would've meant no dispute over the expansion of slavery into the Western territories and possibly no Civil War.

OTOH, this particular scenario may have worsened relations with the Plains Indians, leading to the Indian Wars occuring earlier than in OTL.
 
Only NW expansion & no CW?

I'm not so sure that only NW expansion and no SW expansion would have meant no dispute over slavery in the West. You see the South's problem was that they didn't want the Union to be dominated by Free States. The idea that there were only Free States coming out of the West would actually increase the dispute.

More likely the result would have been CW in the 1840s when Oregon was added to U.S. territory and wasn't counter balanced by Texas and the former Mexican territory west of Texas.
 
My undertanding is he also wanted to kick out the Americans already there. Or is that wrong?

No, he just wanted them under control. The Americans had been pretty much operating on their own for most of their lives, and their original agreement with Mexico had given them preferential tax and customs status. Interestingly, the expatriate Americans did not set out for independence originally. They had applied several times to the Mexican government to be granted full fledged state status inside Mexico, mainly so that they could have full representation in the government to address the issues. The rebellion pretty much started when Stephen Austin went to Mexico City and thought he had received assurances that Texas statehood would be considered. He sent an innocent message to Texas telling them to prepare for state government... which was intercepted and considered by then-President Farias as treason, for some reason. Austin was tossed into jail, and this sent Texas into near rebellion. After Santa Anna took over the Presidency, Austin was released from prison (in poor health); he returned to Texas and immediately called for rebellion...
 
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