What if Texas conquers the Contiguous US?

So what if Texas conquered the contiguous US? The POD is March 2 1836, the day that Texas became independent. I would imagine that after Texan independence, Texas would expand westward towards the Oregon territory, use Mexicans as slaves along with African slaves, and due to Mexican slavery, there would be no Mexican American War. Texas, after it has conquered the Oregon territory would go eastward towards Ohio and Missouri and continue going eastward until the 13 colonies were conquered. There would be no Civil war and thus slavery would continue until today. This would easily lead to Texas expanding to the entirety of Mexico.

But would this happen if Texas conquers the contiguous US?
 
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I... really, really can't see this happening. The East Bank and Great Lakes regions have way too much military manufacturing prowess to be an easy grab for an uber-Texas. I also highly doubt that the Mexicans, much less the northern Mexicans, would accept being enslaved for no reason.
The biggest "Free Texas" i can envisage is one stretching from San Francisco to the Sabine River, and even then, it'd probably end up toast if the USA decides to invade and conquer it. The only significant deterrent to the US annexing Texas was the slavery issue.
 
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use Mexicans as slaves along with African slaves

Texas, after it has conquered the Oregon territory would go eastward towards Ohio and Missouri and continue going eastward until the 13 colonies were conquered.

There would be no Civil war and thus slavery would continue until today

Yo, this is an ASB timeline. A terrifying ASB timeline (and I say this from the smack middle of Texas), but an ASB timeline nonetheless. How on Earth is a bigger Texas supposed to conquer the industrial heart of America when it could smack down a combined Confederacy? Why would slavery continue till the modern day even if this happened?
 
The only way I see this being possible is if the US collapses in the Modern day (ASB) and Texas inherits the entire US Military (ASB) and then reconquers the entire US as the other states fight among themselves.

Alternatively, the CSA secedes from the Union and seizes a bunch of western territory. Then Texas secedes from the CSA with that new territory and Conquers the CSA. Then after twenty years of perfecting cavalry military police for occupation and Blitzkreig tactics they could conquer the US and hold it for about a year. In the end the second amendment ensures long term occupation of the US without the widespread consent of the populace to be impossible.
 
Alright, alright, this might not be ASB

Have the Trent Affair turn into a war, and a war that America loses badly. The CSA “wins,” but is sufficiently dysfunctional that it falls apart just as the beat-up America does the same. Texas declares independence, abolishes slavery, and gradually asserts control over much of the CSA. The USA by now has seen New England and the West declare independence, but somehow ends up at war with Texas-CSA. From there an annexation of the US is possible, but honestly still unlikely
 
Alright, alright, this might not be ASB

Have the Trent Affair turn into a war, and a war that America loses badly. The CSA “wins,” but is sufficiently dysfunctional that it falls apart just as the beat-up America does the same. Texas declares independence, abolishes slavery, and gradually asserts control over much of the CSA. The USA by now has seen New England and the West declare independence, but somehow ends up at war with Texas-CSA. From there an annexation of the US is possible, but honestly still unlikely
Maybe after the CSA collapses some ultranationalist Texan successfully rebuilds the Confederacy (into an ultranationalist dictatorship) and then invades the rump Union in an attempt to unite the former US under southern culture?
 
Have the Trent Affair turn into a war, and a war that America loses badly. The CSA “wins,” but is sufficiently dysfunctional that it falls apart just as the beat-up America does the same. Texas declares independence, abolishes slavery, and gradually asserts control over much of the CSA. The USA by now has seen New England and the West declare independence, but somehow ends up at war with Texas-CSA. From there an annexation of the US is possible, but honestly still unlikely


This is actually a pretty inspired way to deal with a nutty challenge, though I will emphasize that abolition would necessarily have to happen like you mentioned, but the OP had slavery existing until the present day as self-evident. That alone makes it ASB. It'd be a good deal more likely to even have Santa Anna go full Napoleon of the West and eat the Southern US than this.


1 Texan = 10,000 Damnyankees

Sam Houston personally roundhouse kicks the entire US Army to death.
 
This is actually a pretty inspired way to deal with a nutty challenge, though I will emphasize that abolition would necessarily have to happen like you mentioned, but the OP had slavery existing until the present day as self-evident. That alone makes it ASB. It'd be a good deal more likely to even have Santa Anna go full Napoleon of the West and eat the Southern US than this.
If an alt-fascist rises to power slavery could be restored.
 
So what if Texas conquered the contiguous US? The POD is March 2 1836, the day that Texas became independent. I would imagine that after Texan independence, Texas would expand westward towards the Oregon territory, use Mexicans as slaves along with African slaves, and due to Mexican slavery, there would be no Mexican American War. Texas, after it has conquered the Oregon territory would go eastward towards Ohio and Missouri and continue going eastward until the 13 colonies were conquered. There would be no Civil war and thus slavery would continue until today. This would easily lead to Texas expanding to the entirety of Mexico.

But would this happen if Texas conquers the contiguous US?

I can't see this happening. Texas wanted be part of United States, not conquer that. Why Texas even would want conquer more lands when it has anyway enough of problems? And how they even enforce Mexicans as slaves? And USA and United Kingdom wouldn't allow such expansionist slave nation on their doors. And United States is anyway too strong and Texas would face much of guerilla war. And Texas hardly can keep slavery around to 2018. Economic issues will enforce Texas to emancipate slaves on some point. And slavery nation would be totally pariah so it would be totally alone.
 
Maybe after the CSA collapses some ultranationalist Texan successfully rebuilds the Confederacy (into an ultranationalist dictatorship) and then invades the rump Union in an attempt to unite the former US under southern culture?
If an alt-fascist rises to power slavery could be restored.
I very much doubt an Ultra Nationalist Texas would be interested in conquering the entire US. By definition their goal would be to stay separate from the US, not become them. And the Second Amendment makes a tyrannical conquest of the continental US near impossible.
 
If an alt-fascist rises to power slavery could be restored.

Is it really likely that slavery could be restored after full abolition had already taken place? I'm not sure I've ever even heard of something like that happening anywhere. That sounds like a good way to have the Texan-Confederacy burning down in the flames of insurrection as any European powers pull all support in horror.


In any case, restoring slavery is different from having slavery continue unbroken to the modern day, which is its own brand of ASB.
 

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A redux of Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove is the only way something like this is happening.

So, the easiest way to justify this scenario, I think, is to figure out a way to make backwards time travel possible. Then some group of modern extremists could give future technology to the Republic of Texas as a force multiplier.

Some physicists theorize that it would be possible for a far-future civilization to extract energy from a spinning black hole by releasing mass inside of the spinning black hole's ergosphere--and with maximum efficiency, this could lead to a 20% increase in the spacecraft's mass-energy. Generating energy from seemingly nothing... That's a start, right?

In the scientific documentary Superman (1978), Superman was able to turn back time by orbiting the Earth really fast in the wrong direction.

Problem is, if we have a really extreme government that wants to travel back in time and give Texas future tech and conquer the world--they're likely to be so extreme that they won't last long as a regime.

So the black hole has to be in Earth orbit. It can't be in deep space.

That means we need a prior civilization to bring the black hole into Earth orbit so that an totalitarian Texas world conquest extremist government can discover and use it within the first 20 years of discovering space travel. Furthermore, they have to be able to transport enough mass to this black hole, and be able to land after travelling 200 years back in time by violating causality. Any ideas, folks?
 
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Is it really likely that slavery could be restored after full abolition had already taken place? I'm not sure I've ever even heard of something like that happening anywhere. That sounds like a good way to have the Texan-Confederacy burning down in the flames of insurrection as any European powers pull all support in horror.


In any case, restoring slavery is different from having slavery continue unbroken to the modern day, which is its own brand of ASB.
I'd assume that slavery would be abolished, however, life for Afro-Texans would resemble OTL Apartheid Africa and the Texan government would still deem blacks inferior.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the resurrection of slavery would be difficult but if it were to happen it would have to happen because of some far-right maniac.
 
Even if the Texans were armed with futuristic weapons I doubt the Lone Star Republic of OTL would go and take over the USA. Why would it? It would probably just go to war with Mexico a second time and win and then Texas will just go on and become the new global superpower (advanced tech and whatnot) and maybe establish a few colonies along the way.
 
Sam Houston personally roundhouse kicks the entire US Army to death.
For some reason the scene I pictured in my head was that of every single American soldier and officer lining up, single file, to do.one on one combat with Sam Houston. Not actually combat really, tbey just get to the front of the line and then he round house kicks them to death. Each soldier knows whats coming, but they calmly and defiantly march towards there deaths under Sam Houston's cowboy boots.
 
In other words, Einstein's ghost just face palmed and gave up on humanity.
It’s a fairly common SF idea really. You see it in everything from comics (such as Flashpoint), Star Trek, etc.

Sure it’s probably wrong, but the idea is common. Also, technically Einstein would be more likely to jump up and down in excitement if Superman broke the light speed barrier since it would mean a complete reworking of the disproved theory of special relativity.
 
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