What if Stalin was as bad as Hitler?

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So Hitler was worse because he didn't treat everybody as equal. Hence the victims of Stalin is'nt worth as much?
 

Soundgarden

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Well, at least with Stalian, there are still mentions of him in Russia, as well as monuments dedicated to him. In Germany, its taboo to speak of Hitler, so draw your own conclusions.
 
Well, at least with Stalian, there are still mentions of him in Russia, as well as monuments dedicated to him. In Germany, its taboo to speak of Hitler, so draw your own conclusions.

Sure, after the Allies brainwashed er I mean re-educated their public into seeing even the Red Army as their liberators. The real question is if Germany won would Hitler be regarded today in Germany like Stalin is in Russia and I would say there is a decent shot of it.
 
Yeah, but, guys, Stalin wasn't genocidal. That's what really separates him from Hitler, and I think that makes the Fuhrer that much more scary. If Stalin had really been as bloodthirsty as Hitler, there wouldn't be any Ukrainians left, and the Caucasus would be entirely dominated by Georgians and Russians, and he wouldn't just divide the various Central Asian nationalities into different SSRs to break their will... he'd ship them to Siberian gulags as slave labor and replace them with Slavic peoples.

Furthermore, one should remember that before his rise to power, few predicted that Stalin could go to such ends in order to create his communist utopia. He could be even more crazy and ruthless than he was, and still hide it. Instead of making it known he is a genocidal maniac in the early days, he keeps it hidden until he's taken control of the Party.



Well, I'd contend that a lot of you only think Stalin was worse because the West was locked into heated ideological combat and proxy wars against his country for forty-five years. That argument really doesn't get anywhere far.

At the very least it's debatable. I read that when Stalins son tried to commit suicide (With a gun)... Stalin's only response was 'he can't even shoot straight.' Stalin has a higher body count too.

Personally, I put them both at the same level of evil.
 
Stalin is only seen as less worse because he won the war. Had Hitler won the war then everything associated with Communism and class would be treated like National Socialism and racism today. And people would learn about the Holodomor, the Soviet deportations, the Great Terror ect instead of the Holocaust. BTW who dug up a year old thread?
 

Soundgarden

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Sure, after the Allies brainwashed er I mean re-educated their public into seeing even the Red Army as their liberators. The real question is if Germany won would Hitler be regarded today in Germany like Stalin is in Russia and I would say there is a decent shot of it.

I don't know about all that. Stalin is seen as controversial(mixed opinons basically) in Russia, because unlike Hitler, Stalin didn't target certain groups of people(just anybody who opposed or feel that they were about to oppose him, then again, he had his painters shot if they depicted him wrong).

If Nazi Germany won, would the World see Jews and Slavs as evil? Thing about Stalin was, he wasn't officially Anti-Semitic(he did work with some Jews), and ironically enough, was rumored to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. Hitler was seen as a batshit crazy murderer, at least Stalin could be rational. I mean, he did allign with Roosevelt and Churchill during the war, and his Red Army did liberate many concentration camps, maybe as a favour to the other allies.

That being said, I can see how some would depict Stalin as worse. With Hitler, if you were what he considered Aryan, then you didn't have to worry about filtering yourself to offend him(as long as you don't talk negatively about his regime and racist ways), where as Stalin, even the slightest thing(such as his small stature) can trigger him. Even his cabinet members were afraid of him.

I'll say that between the two, its too close to call. I guess in my case, since I'm one-quarter Jewish, I rather live in Soviet Russia during WW2, because unless I am granted Honorary Aryan status for whatever reason, my goose is cooked.
 
Stalin is only seen as less worse because he won the war. Had Hitler won the war then everything associated with Communism and class would be treated like National Socialism and racism today. And people would learn about the Holodomor, the Soviet deportations, the Great Terror ect instead of the Holocaust. BTW who dug up a year old thread?

Agreed. THe people who were happy to demonize the Nazis (fairly) didn't have to worry about what the Nazis would feel or do about it.

Now Stalin? He was leader of a superpower, with thousands of tanks, millions of soldiers, Nuclear weapons, KGB spies and assassins.

You start talking smack about him, and it could mean BIG TROUBLE.
 

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I don't know about all that. Stalin is seen as controversial(mixed opinons basically) in Russia, because unlike Hitler, Stalin didn't target certain groups of people(just anybody who opposed or feel that they were about to oppose him, then again, he had his painters shot if they depicted him wrong).

Several groups of people would disagree with you on that, like the Volga Germans, the Ukrainians, the Chechens, the Cossacks, and various other peoples in Central Asia and classes (Kulaks).
 

Kaptin Kurk

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This kind of reminds me of the Saddam Hussein vs Pol Pot discussion.

Anyone, in scenarios like this, I simply ask myself, if I had to be born and live in Nazi Germany of Stalinist Russia which one would I choose? (I suppose if you're not Jewish Nazi Germany might seem appealing to some, but it's not like you'd be you. The ASBs could have you born to a Jewish family for all you know, statistical probabilities and all) Anyway, just as generic human whatever, I'd probably prefer to take my chances with the Communist.

Although I suppose someone could do a statistical analysis to see exactly what precentage of those people who fell under his sway Hitler killed versus Stalin and at what rate. Obviously, you'd probably want to live under the one that killed the smallest precentage of the people under his thumb at the slowest rate.
 
Being a Finn, it's very mixed. In no way were Finnish people considered true aryans (perhaps some Swedish-Finnish were) so there's no quarantee for what would've been our fate had Axis won in Europe. Though Mannerheim put the corporal in his place. Then again Stalin had plans to deport Finns to the far reaches of the vast Soviet empire and already had thousands of Finns murdered through his purges. Both bad, but for us Generalissimus Dickwad would've been worse. Dark times indeed.
 

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Well, at least with Stalian, there are still mentions of him in Russia, as well as monuments dedicated to him. In Germany, its taboo to speak of Hitler, so draw your own conclusions.
2009? Really?

Let the dead rest.


BTW: Necro = locked.
 
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