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whithout stalin Leon Trotsky takes lenin old postion
what doe he do
how doe the USSR turn out?
what is russia like today?
what doe he do
how doe the USSR turn out?
what is russia like today?
More realistic? Trotsky's policy was international revolution ("permanent revolution"). Domestically he would have pushed ahead with collectivization and industrialization; internationally he would have pushed all the Comintern parties toward revolutions in their respective countries. Internally he probably gets into disputes with Zinoviev and Kamenev (who take Stalin's part as the "Center") and Bukharin (who would still presumably be on the right opposition). Most post-1926 CPSU personalities would be nonentities without Stalin.Well there would be a lot of Changes. First of all no massive purges of the Red Army. Trotsky would still promote Communism but would be far more realistic. He might be able to work for better relations with the West thus eliminating the Germans ability to train in the Soviet Union.
More realistic? Trotsky's policy was international revolution ("permanent revolution"). Domestically he would have pushed ahead with collectivization and industrialization; internationally he would have pushed all the Comintern parties toward revolutions in their respective countries. Internally he probably gets into disputes with Zinoviev and Kamenev (who take Stalin's part as the "Center") and Bukharin (who would still presumably be on the right opposition). Most post-1926 CPSU personalities would be nonentities without Stalin.
Realistically Trotsky probably would have intervened in favor of the Chinese Communists in 1926-27, and either sparked further international revolution or world war, or possibly both. You'd still run up against severe internal problems and external ones as well.
The guy who Stalin misinformed as to the date/time of Lenin's funeral.Correct me if I'm wrong, we're talking about the same guy who missed Lenin's funeral? There's no way such a politically unsavvy person maintains power.
You wanna talk about politically unsavvy? Bukharin was a dandy pseudo-intellectual who survived as long as he did due to his friendship with the Politburo's wives. He had absolutely no desire to run things and much preferred theorizing, doodling, and the daydreaming of Salon Bolshevism to matters of state.My money would be on Bukharin eventually becoming supreme leader, given how far he got. Zinoviev and Kamenev, I think would probably still be defeated.
See above.Realistically he doesn't last long at all and is eventually replaced by Bukharin or possibly Zioviev or Kamenev. He just didn't have the political skills. He was a better theoretician than politician. If he lasts there is far more likelihood for world war than under Stalin as you said.
Tukhachevksy, most likely--folks loved that guy.*If* Trotsky rises, it would be as a figurehead for what would in practice be a junta of Red Army generals.
Tukhachevksy, most likely--folks loved that guy.
And not a single soldier/general stood up for Trotsky when Kamenev, Zinoviev, and Stalin began trashing his military record in '25.
Tukhachevsky was actually born into nobility. Imagine a scenario where he shacks up with the Whites instead of the Reds![]()
Like that's hard?Well, I think that he'd certainly do better than Denikin.
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Like that's hard?
But yeah, that'd be a kick in the pants; a White victory with Tukhachevsky running the military.
True, that's a factor people tend to forget. A USSR led by Tuchachevsky would be a frightening thought, the man himself had an idea that's still viable now in terms of military concepts before the USSR even had tanks.He might actually do a better job making the USSR into a superpower than Stalin did, with somewhat less cost involved.
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Damn; a neo-Spartanist to boot.While also being a military man who knew nothing about running a country.While I suppose that a military dictatorship might be better than Stalinist rule, I am inclined to believe that having him in charge would lead to OTL industralization being replaced with militarization at the same cost in human lives. I recall reading that the man had plans to turn furniture factories into war factories producing wooden spare parts - tables being "bourguois" and stuff like that.
Trotskist USSR means full implementation of war communism and maintaining 'permanent revolution' as the standing principle of foreign policy. This means a much more aggressive USSR, with the death toll from collectivization and industralization being noticably larger than OTL, possibly also a Soviet involvment in the Chinese Civil War (since that is were the revolution is most likely succeed).
Except that the "International Revolution" shtick really didn't appeal to that many people, and they really liked the realism and practicality of Stalin's "Socialism in One Country" line. Trotsky getting into more foreign adventures is going to exasperate the hell out of the Party and the Red Army.While yes the international, permanent revolution stance is definitely going to happen war communism will probably be dismantled in short order. Trotsky tried appealing to Lenin in 1920 to end war communism, if he's in charge you can bet War Communism will go down with Lenin.
Why not? This is the guy that introduced Terror Battalions into the Red Army. Bolsheviks loved a good purge.Trotsky might hold power to the end of the 20s before losing it but you won't see the massive purges and power plays like what happened with Stalin.
Except that the Ban on Factions did shit all to prevent factions from forming; the higher-ups just used it as a generic charge against one another. Soviet politics is one long series of Politburo cliques and factions ganging up to stab each other in the back.The Ban on Factions ensured there would only be ONE official perspective tolerated in Soviet government which makes any form of dissension pretty much impossible.
Why remove the Ban when it allows you to get rid of your enemies? Why would a totalitarian state remove a dissent ban like that? Trotsky won't be the Number #2, he'll just be Trotsky minus Lenin, which tanks the T-man's stock.If you remove the Ban then odds are Trotsky takes power following Lenin's death thanks to effectively being the #2 guy in the party, he probably stays in the top job until the end of the 1920s.
Tukhachevksy, most likely--folks loved that guy.
And not a single soldier/general stood up for Trotsky when Kamenev, Zinoviev, and Stalin began trashing his military record in '25, despite all of them having pretty awful ones.