What if Seleucos Nicator was never assasinated?

It depends on whoever comes into power. Even without the Romans, things were going to the crapper especially upon the death of Antiochus II.

The problem is the frontier is insanely difficult to defend fully. I think the state would have had lots of rebellions and eventually fall victim to the decay it had in OTL if it doesn't just go out with a bang in the midst of multiple heirs. Did Seleucus have more than one son?
 
Seleucus had two wives Apama, a Persian, and Stratonice, a Macedonian. He had two daughters and two sons with Apama: Antiochus and Achaeus. Stratonice bore a daughter to Seleucus and had five children with her stepson Antiochus (kind of ewww).
 
Seleucus had two wives Apama, a Persian, and Stratonice, a Macedonian. He had two daughters and two sons with Apama: Antiochus and Achaeus. Stratonice bore a daughter to Seleucus and had five children with her stepson Antiochus (kind of ewww).

Well. I can see a crisis with Apama's sons in the future. I'm not entirely good at this era, how was the succession settled?
 
Well. I can see a crisis with Apama's sons in the future. I'm not entirely good at this era, how was the succession settled?

Me either. It sucks since the Hellenistic period never does seem to offer much detailed information. I just assumed that it got passed along to Antiochus: he was the eldest son. If Ptolemy manages to survive past Seleucus' death, there's always a possibility he can persuade Achaeus to revolt against his older brother. That's how Ptolemy's grandson Ptolemy III did it with Antiochus Hierax against Seleucus II Callincus.
 
Me either. It sucks since the Hellenistic period never does seem to offer much detailed information. I just assumed that it got passed along to Antiochus: he was the eldest son. If Ptolemy manages to survive past Seleucus' death, there's always a possibility he can persuade Achaeus to revolt against his older brother. That's how Ptolemy's grandson Ptolemy III did it with Antiochus Hierax against Seleucus II Callincus.

Well, looking at the Armenian genocide, Antiochus had his eldest son in 286 BC. I was thinking that perhaps the 5 children could quarrel, but Achaeus may seize his chance. The empire is very large, with a much larger 'majority Greek' area which could be more loyal to him.
 
Well, looking at the Armenian genocide, Antiochus had his eldest son in 286 BC. I was thinking that perhaps the 5 children could quarrel, but Achaeus may seize his chance. The empire is very large, with a much larger 'majority Greek' area which could be more loyal to him.

Not counting any generals who may want to grab a slice of the Seleucid pie. You think Chandragupta or the likes of the Galatians would take the chance to move in?
 
Not counting any generals who may want to grab a slice of the Seleucid pie. You think Chandragupta or the likes of the Galatians would take the chance to move in?

The Galatians will try to eat up a delicious prize while the successors fight over in the Syrian pressure point, most likely.

Chandragupta would also look at the various Seleucid areas and decide he's gonna grab em for the same reason as the Galatians.

In the end they'll most likely permanently lose these areas as they try to keep the surviving empire from coming apart and fall into imperial decay.
 
I think this is where Errnge's idea of a Celtic-ruled Macedonia goes into the realm of the plausible. Maybe even Greece too. Chandragupta might conquer Bactria and the other eastern provinces though in OTL, given all the problems the Seleucids had, the Mauryans didn't exactly backstab them when they had the chance to.
 
I think this is where Errnge's idea of a Celtic-ruled Macedonia goes into the realm of the plausible. Maybe even Greece too. Chandragupta might conquer Bactria and the other eastern provinces though in OTL, given all the problems the Seleucids had, the Mauryans didn't exactly backstab them when they had the chance to.

You see, this is where it bcomes a lot easier for the Celts. Assuming that Seleucus take everything in Greece it becomes a cakewalk for them.
 
You see, this is where it bcomes a lot easier for the Celts. Assuming that Seleucus take everything in Greece it becomes a cakewalk for them.

True. It would be pretty awesome to see how a Celtic run Greece and Macedonia develops and that's not even mentioning how Pyrrhus of Epirus would take advantage of the instability. He might try and give the Celts a run for their money there instead of going to make trouble with Carthage and Rome.
 
True. It would be pretty awesome to see how a Celtic run Greece and Macedonia develops and that's not even mentioning how Pyrrhus of Epirus would take advantage of the instability. He might try and give the Celts a run for their money there instead of going to make trouble with Carthage and Rome.

"What are we to gain from this adventure?"
"Macedonia."
"Then what Is conquered after Macedonia?"
"Greece, a very rich land."
"And what after that?"
"Maybe Thrace, and maybe Anatolia too."
"And what after that?"
"Then we take leisure and enjoy life."
 
As long as Pyrrhus doesn't go into Argos, I think he'll be fine. He was a competent commander: certainly no Alexander the Great but he could defeat the Celts if he makes Greece and Macedonia his priority.

Not interfering in southern Italy and Syracuse might just lead to Carthage and Rome clashing a lot earlier.
 
As long as Pyrrhus doesn't go into Argos, I think he'll be fine. He was a competent commander: certainly no Alexander the Great but he could defeat the Celts if he makes Greece and Macedonia his priority.

Not interfering in southern Italy and Syracuse might just lead to Carthage and Rome clashing a lot earlier.

But he doesn't have any war elephants. He's not close to anyone with war elephants. Though perhaps the Celts are...

Good god, Celtic war elephants.
 
But he doesn't have any war elephants. He's not close to anyone with war elephants. Though perhaps the Celts are...

Good god, Celtic war elephants.

Pyrrhus only got war elephants out of a deal he had while hiding under the custody of Ptolemy...I would love seeing the Celts riding on elephants. They'll be nearly unstoppable to the eyes of your average Greek on-looker. :eek:

And there's also the minor Diadochi states like Pergamon, Pontus, Biynthia, Cappadocia wanting to take up little slices to.
 
Pyrrhus only got war elephants out of a deal he had while hiding under the custody of Ptolemy...I would love seeing the Celts riding on elephants. They'll be nearly unstoppable to the eyes of your average Greek on-looker. :eek:

And there's also the minor Diadochi states like Pergamon, Pontus, Biynthia, Cappadocia wanting to take up little slices to.

I would think that is Nicator survives long enough he just wipes those little states off the map.
 
I would think that is Nicator survives long enough he just wipes those little states off the map.

Alexander didn't really bother with them. Seleucus might just be happy getting tribute from them and saving himself the trouble and time of conquering little statelets. It would be one hell of a free for all.
 
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