What If: Royal Navy keeps some of the carriers in th 70-es

abc123

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Surprise surprise not everyone has the same views on what government core spending should be, some people believe a public health service is just as important as defence spending.



Well I suppose that depends on what sort of defence and foreign policy you're going to have. Many countries in the world get by on much less because they take a purely defensive or co-operative approach to defence. The UK though is still trying to play a major role in international affairs, however the government hasn't been the military to match what they want of them. As for the if you don't spend X% on defence you'll lose all your money, I remain unconvinced. Now if you were to post an argument why you think that rather than simple declarative statements you might get more people agreeing with you, and I personally would like to see you're reasoning behind it.


And you said it all.
If UK is satisfied with role in the world like Belgium or Netherland, than she don't needs a stronger navy.

But, it's obvious that a average Briton has forget it's history, or even spits on his own history and all things that made Britain once greatest Empire in history.
Today we can say that average Briton is a NHS/social aid-consumer.
You will say that it's a insult, but look how much % of UK-s budget goes on social aid/NHS.
Or, only budget that isn't decreasing currently is for international aid.

;)
 
And you said it all.
If UK is satisfied with role in the world like Belgium or Netherland, than she don't needs a stronger navy.
That is one of the major issues that needs public debate and a decision made, and then adequate funding for what's been decided.

But, it's obvious that a average Briton has forget it's history, or even spits on his own history and all things that made Britain once greatest Empire in history.
I wouldn't go that far, it's fair to say though that military matters aren't all that interesting to people and that the military isn't held up on a pedastool as in some countries like the US.

Today we can say that average Briton is a NHS/social aid-consumer.

You will say that it's a insult, but look how much % of UK-s budget goes on social aid/NHS.
And? Considering that they pay for it with their taxes it's hardly surprising that they'd then take advantage of it. This is only a problem if you start at the position that a public health system is a bad thing.

Still waiting on the explanation of how if you don't fund the military enough you'll eventually run out of money for social programmes though. :)
 

abc123

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Considering that they pay for it with their taxes it's hardly surprising that they'd then take advantage of it. This is only a problem if you start at the position that a public health system is a bad thing.

Still waiting on the explanation of how if you don't fund the military enough you'll eventually run out of money for social programmes though. :)

Coming:

Simply, investment in domesticly supplied strong military promotes economic growth, high tech development, more scientific research, international prestige and influence of some country.
You can't sell to the others what you dont have for yourself.

Investing in NHS/social aid does not make allmost any benefit for country, except creating nation of people who think that goverment and not they, must solve all of their problems.
 

perfectgeneral

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You know, you are the first person to call me a troll in my virtual life, which isn't from yesterday- but OK, I'm not offended, it's fun reading delusions that you Britons have, now man can better understand why the RN is in shape as it is...
You have overlooked my calling you a troll a few pages ago and doubtless there are many other facts you have ignored over the years. Your trolling bores me. Your posts have now been set to ignore.
 
And you couldn't of just put him on ignore and left quietly without trying to get a last dig in?

I think we probably need to start up a new thread in Chat if we want to continue this as it's strayed pretty far from the original topic and isn't really alternate timeline any more but become political discourse.
 

abc123

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You have overlooked my calling you a troll a few pages ago and doubtless there are many other facts you have ignored over the years. Your trolling bores me. Your posts have now been set to ignore.

Yes, I see that UK is before many years ago has put the Royal Navy on ignore list.
Somewhere from 1960.
It isn't your fault. You are just a product of sutch mindset in UK.
;)
 
Whilst I've commented on other people's behaviour, abc123 you're not really helping yourself with comments like that. Whilst you put a smiley at the end you're still coming across as a bit... condescending is the best way I can put it. The "It isn't your fault. You are just a product of such mindset in UK." comment does rather seem to have an unspoken "So you can't be expected to know better, but those of us that do will try and correct you as best as possible." subtext to it.
 

abc123

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Whilst I've commented on other people's behaviour, abc123 you're not really helping yourself with comments like that. Whilst you put a smiley at the end you're still coming across as a bit... condescending is the best way I can put it. The "It isn't your fault. You are just a product of such mindset in UK." comment does rather seem to have an unspoken "So you can't be expected to know better, but those of us that do will try and correct you as best as possible." subtext to it.

Your'e right.
I appologise if my posts seem offensive for someone, no offense is intentional, I respect UK and Britons ver much, but just showing on things, wich, by my humble opinion, are not good for Brittania.

Maybe the problem is also in my English skills, because English isn't my mother tongue.
;)
 
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