What could had happened if Robert Stanfield menaged to beat Pierre Trudeau in the Canadian elections of 1972? Or even in 1968?
what if Robert Stanfield had beated Pierre Trudeau?
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Intriguing. Don't see too many Canadian political PODs.
Apparently, from what I've read so far, Stanfield was defeated only because of an embarrasing picture of him dropping a football. Wasn't he a member of the Conservative Party? If so, and if he was as loved by many people as I think he was, then it may mean something far different from the Canadian politics we've been used to.
Apparently, from what I've read so far, Stanfield was defeated only because of an embarrasing picture of him dropping a football. Wasn't he a member of the Conservative Party? If so, and if he was as loved by many people as I think he was, then it may mean something far different from the Canadian politics we've been used to.
Coriolanus said:
Yes, Robert Stanfield was a member of Conservative party as well as once Prime Minister of Nova Scotia before doing federal politics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stanfield
Interesting....progressive-conservative sounded like an oxymoron until I read about the party's ideology.
Maybe if he wins in 1968, the party is still around today? I see that it was absorbed by the Conservative Party last December.
Are there any Canadians on this board? They might provide alot more insight into this interesting topic.
Maybe if he wins in 1968, the party is still around today? I see that it was absorbed by the Conservative Party last December.
Are there any Canadians on this board? They might provide alot more insight into this interesting topic.
Valamyr
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As controversial as P.E Trudeau is around here, theres no doubt that for better or worse, he's the only reason Canada has been kept in one piece. Lévesque was an incredibly charismatic independentist, and his only match was Trudeau. Any other canadian premier would have been the last.
This obviously isnt his only legacy, but it's his most enduring. His other efforts, such as his attempts to federalize natural ressources, namely albertan oil, were undone by the next government.
No Trudeau would probably mean an independent Quebec in the early 80s, the Constitution still being in London and a few other social changes.
Few impacts on the rest of the world, i think.
This obviously isnt his only legacy, but it's his most enduring. His other efforts, such as his attempts to federalize natural ressources, namely albertan oil, were undone by the next government.
No Trudeau would probably mean an independent Quebec in the early 80s, the Constitution still being in London and a few other social changes.
Few impacts on the rest of the world, i think.
Valamyr
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Premier and Prime Minister are interpreted as synonyms in French. Youre welcome to enlighten me if theres a difference.
Well, maybe not none, but IMO few. Canada is not a major player, and it tends to have generally only cosmetic problems with its southern neighbor over most issues, even in periods of cool relations. Whatever nations that would fill a vacuum there would probably act similarly.
Having parts of Canada as US states have the largest consequences for the people living there, not the outside world. An independent Quebec would be little more and little less than an american Switzerland, not very prone to stir much trouble I think.
I forsee things going out roughly as in OTL. Maybe earlier Euro-US tensions if the US handles a "collapse of Canada" scenario poorly/greedily.
DuQuense said:
Well, maybe not none, but IMO few. Canada is not a major player, and it tends to have generally only cosmetic problems with its southern neighbor over most issues, even in periods of cool relations. Whatever nations that would fill a vacuum there would probably act similarly.
Having parts of Canada as US states have the largest consequences for the people living there, not the outside world. An independent Quebec would be little more and little less than an american Switzerland, not very prone to stir much trouble I think.
I forsee things going out roughly as in OTL. Maybe earlier Euro-US tensions if the US handles a "collapse of Canada" scenario poorly/greedily.
United States wakes with a start. ZzzzzZZZz...hmm..wha...Canada? Canada wants to join the US? Why? Oh, Canada's PROVINCES want to join the US. Oh, I see. Why do they want to do that? Isn't Canada good enough for them...when did that happen?!? 
WHAT!?! When LBJ was president? That was over a decade ago! Why didn't we notice this sooner. Well, sure, I guess you guys can join if you really want to, and don't have a big 'No' vote in a referendum...
FRANCE, GERMANY OUTRAGED BY US DECISION TO ADMIT CANADIAN PROVINCES. CLEARLY WAS PART OF RUTHLESS AND CUNNING AMERICAN PLAN. ALLIANCE SUFFERS.
Larger and newly enhanced US returns to its nap.
MORE OUTRAGE AS US FAILS TO SHOW PROPER ATTENTION TO FRENCH CRITICISM...
WHAT!?! When LBJ was president? That was over a decade ago! Why didn't we notice this sooner. Well, sure, I guess you guys can join if you really want to, and don't have a big 'No' vote in a referendum...FRANCE, GERMANY OUTRAGED BY US DECISION TO ADMIT CANADIAN PROVINCES. CLEARLY WAS PART OF RUTHLESS AND CUNNING AMERICAN PLAN. ALLIANCE SUFFERS.
Larger and newly enhanced US returns to its nap.
MORE OUTRAGE AS US FAILS TO SHOW PROPER ATTENTION TO FRENCH CRITICISM...
Annexing much of Canada might have lots of domestic US effects, especially if former Canadians are given US citizenship immediately (as opposed to within a year or so). My Dad once said annexing Canada would mean a lot more Democratic voters, so...
Annexing Canada might very well tilt US politics towards the Democratic Party for quite awhile (unless the new Americans, largely Western Canadians, react to Canada's more left-wing gov't by voting GOP).
Annexing Canada might very well tilt US politics towards the Democratic Party for quite awhile (unless the new Americans, largely Western Canadians, react to Canada's more left-wing gov't by voting GOP).
PaleHorseRiding
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I Dont think quebec would have seperated even if they did. They would never have been allowed to leave. Civil war in Quebec.
If this does not change world history. Peace Keeping would have changed a bit world wide Cyprus would be in chaos Turkey and Greece migh have some throw downs. The cold war would have ended differently. The Candian civil war would have affected the world. France vs Canada as the French Rebels are offered aid by France. Also might see Canada with some ethnic cleansing of the Traitors. No Nafta So there goes Mexico even further down the tubes
No Gulf war.
I am Canadian. Most of Canada Hates Quebce finds them a waste of money time and energy. They think Canadian Prime Minister's suck up to them way to much.
If this does not change world history. Peace Keeping would have changed a bit world wide Cyprus would be in chaos Turkey and Greece migh have some throw downs. The cold war would have ended differently. The Candian civil war would have affected the world. France vs Canada as the French Rebels are offered aid by France. Also might see Canada with some ethnic cleansing of the Traitors. No Nafta So there goes Mexico even further down the tubes
No Gulf war.
I am Canadian. Most of Canada Hates Quebce finds them a waste of money time and energy. They think Canadian Prime Minister's suck up to them way to much.
I'm a Canadian so here's my opinion. If there's no Trudeau, there's no national energy program, which will be good for the west and will help eases the east west relations. If Quebec leaves, so be it. But I really don't see annexation parties popping up just like that, we are still Canadian after all first and foremost. We might be a little warmer to the US, but I don't think we'd be hoping for annexation.
From what little I know of Canada's economy, it's small but pretty stable. How would it be if Canada split? Can Quebec survive on it's own? Can the rest of the provinces, even if they stay together as a single political entity, make a self sufficient economy? I'd always thought Quebec had the bulk of Canada's population....