What if Republic of Viet Nam ("South Viet Nam") win the "Vietnam War"

The only way I can see this the South winning the Vietnam War is maintaining a ceasefire or armistice with the North. They will not win militarily and dissolve the North, especially not alone.

Perhaps the US creates a neutrality accord with China and the Soviet Union in the 1960s which severely reduces foreign aid to North Vietnam. The Vietcong are never strong enough to overtake its neighbor to the south. Eventually after decades of fighting, it becomes a war of attrition and both simply sign a permanent ceasefire to end the fighting.

Another option is that the US invades North Vietnam and topples the the government there instead of just defending the South.

The US could also establish permanent bases and significant funding as Nixon and Ford wanted to do to keep the country going and defended. It never collapses and is conquered as a result.
 
Perhaps the US creates a neutrality accord with China and the Soviet Union in the 1960s which severely reduces foreign aid to North Vietnam.
In fact, USA became quite friendly with China in 70s - and it made Viet Nam (both "North" and "South") suffer sh**ty situation.

Another option is that the US invades North Vietnam and topples the the government there instead of just defending the South.
And you got it right, the only way for SVN to "win" the war [unite the nation] is through a co-operated campaign with USA. Heavy firepower to clear a way to invade the North. However, China may take that as an invitation and send troops to "support" their ally. Based on the attitudes of DRVN's leaders (mainly First Secretary Le Duan and President Ho Chi Minh), it is quite likely that DRVN will raise (another) resistance war - against BOTH China and USA (especially Le Duan, it is later revealed that he even hint a Viet Nam - China War if Mao dare to attack his home. And boy, he kept his promise)

In my opinion, definitely Diem. He made the most use of his country's natural resources; rubber and agriculture (if that counts). My dad lived under the RVN regime from 1954-1975, and he remembers Diem being the ONLY leader to guarantee a stable living standard for South Vietnamese citizens.
Quite hard to say. But if you force me - a pro-Communist (*) - to choose, I believe that Diem can be quite a good candidate. Yes, he put Viet Minh supporters [which can be regarded as "Communists"] in jail - and execute some. But at least, he disapprove of direct foreign interference. On this part, he can be compared to Ho Chi Minh: foreign aid is OK, but not foreign ally troops.
Rumors had it: Early 1963, Ho Chi Minh sent a branch of blossoms ("Hoa đào") as a gift for Diem during Tet Holiday. He (through Intelligence Office) may catch the wind that Diem (and his brothers) were planning to negotiate for an election with the North. Diem was probably "unhappy" with the Americans then.
But on Nov 1, 1963... Well, just say that he can't be "unhappy anymore".
Oh, and VietNamSkyLight is the guy who ask me to post this on here :3 Say hi to AH :v
Not sure where in RoK that they want to be like RVN...

Could Ngo Dinh Diem have become one feeling threatened by the failed coup ITTL (1963)? Like declaring martial law, weeding out dissent ruthless (though not like OTL Hafizullah Amin in Afghanistan). Then he goes to South Korea, where he sees first hand the effects of economic reform, and decides to enact them in South Vietnam?
As far as I know, "political unstability" began in mid-year. Diem even had a few plan to counter with the coup. Among them, there was even a "fake" plan: He had (some) generals whom he can trust to stage a (fake) coup in order to lure out threats. However, he put faith in the wrong guy
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(*) I recently take a quiz, and it say me a "left collective" - somewhere between socialism and communism
 
No. Its not a question of who would win, its that Diem was never negotiating to have a referendum in the first place. There was never going to be a vote under Diem.

Technically, Diem didn't have to hold a referendum. Sate of Viet Nam didn't sign the Geneva Accord in the first place. And someone (Diem?! or Thieu?!) said that there would be no election, no talk with communist.
[Humm. I think that's Thieu after Paris Peace Accord)
 
Technically, Diem didn't have to hold a referendum. Sate of Viet Nam didn't sign the Geneva Accord in the first place. And someone (Diem?! or Thieu?!) said that there would be no election, no talk with communist.
[Humm. I think that's Thieu after Paris Peace Accord)
As said before, a source would be nice. Like a book title or a webpage url.
 
As said before, a source would be nice. Like a book title or a webpage url.

Here what I got
Thiệu expressed his stance on the ceasefire by publicly proclaiming the "Four Nos": no negotiations with the communists; no communist political activities south of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ); no coalition government; and no surrender of territory to the North Vietnamese or Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG), which went against the deal.
This is extracted from Wikipedia. And the footnote point to "Willbanks, p. 213". I believe this is the book http://www.amazon.com/Abandoning-Vietnam-America-Modern-Studies/dp/0700616233
 
The only way I can see this the South winning the Vietnam War is maintaining a ceasefire or armistice with the North. They will not win militarily and dissolve the North, especially not alone.

Perhaps the US creates a neutrality accord with China and the Soviet Union in the 1960s which severely reduces foreign aid to North Vietnam. The Vietcong are never strong enough to overtake its neighbor to the south. Eventually after decades of fighting, it becomes a war of attrition and both simply sign a permanent ceasefire to end the fighting.

Another option is that the US invades North Vietnam and topples the the government there instead of just defending the South.

The US could also establish permanent bases and significant funding as Nixon and Ford wanted to do to keep the country going and defended. It never collapses and is conquered as a result.

I think substantially reducing foreign aid to the North Vietnamese would either destroy it because of bankruptcy, or it would continue "living" similar to the DPRK.

I think a military cooperation between the RVN and the US could definitely ride out the North Vietnamese military and Hanoi would be captured.
 
Here what I got
Thiệu expressed his stance on the ceasefire by publicly proclaiming the "Four Nos": no negotiations with the communists; no communist political activities south of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ); no coalition government; and no surrender of territory to the North Vietnamese or Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG), which went against the deal.
This is extracted from Wikipedia. And the footnote point to "Willbanks, p. 213". I believe this is the book http://www.amazon.com/Abandoning-Vietnam-America-Modern-Studies/dp/0700616233

Doesn't that prove Japhy's point, though, that Diem wasn't ever in the mood to make any sort of peace talks with the North Vietnamese?
 
According to my friend, victory here is defined as the South completely annexed the North under the banner of Republic of Viet Nam. Simply put, Viet Nam is united under the "yellow flag"

Laos and Cambodia are not really relevant. They could ether be mentioned or not

I don't see that as possible withut a US invasion whch seems highly unlikely.

Far more lkely is South Vietnam remaining as a seperte country much likeSouth Korea. North Vietnam is going to recieve Soviet aid right through the Co9ld War. South Vietnam likewise is the recipient of US Foreign aid and gets similar military gauruntees and troop deployments to deter Northern invasion.
 
I don't see that as possible withut a US invasion whch seems highly unlikely.

Far more lkely is South Vietnam remaining as a seperte country much likeSouth Korea. North Vietnam is going to recieve Soviet aid right through the Co9ld War. South Vietnam likewise is the recipient of US Foreign aid and gets similar military gauruntees and troop deployments to deter Northern invasion.

I think there was a miscommunication between me and ComradeH. I never said that what would happen if the RVN took over the North, I simply just wanted to see if the North never took over the South.

With that being said, VietNam would probably be very much like Korea.
 
I think there was a miscommunication between me and ComradeH. I never said that what would happen if the RVN took over the North, I simply just wanted to see if the North never took over the South.

With that being said, VietNam would probably be very much like Korea.

Hum... Yeah. Assume for some reason, if DRVN didn't unite the country, Viet Nam will be (forever) divided at 17th parallel. And sometimes, both sides "exchange gift"...
Though it's much better if I ask what can RVN did differently to win the war. Because, as I see it, "Vietnam War" is a war to decide who would unite the homeland.
 
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