What if Ralph Nader won 2008 election

Jason222

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Get ready USA lost all creditable world wide. Egypt and Israel back war back old fansh way fighting war guessing Congress allow Nader bring Middle East into true plunder cake mount be. Which might such bad think Middle East so be no Arab spring and Iran join gaint allience no Iran nuclear program either. Chirstinian Zionist would spills billion dollars money Israel like did before. A secound Korea War because USA not deter North Korea and Japan build on army bring Chine and Japan brink war. We might even have world war III happen.
 
You know the line caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy? For nader to win, the republican and democrat candidates would BOTH have to be found in bed with a dead womanAND a live boy. Possibly a dead boy. Or caught shagging sheep in the capitol rotunda.....
 
I don't want to insult someone who is obviously not a native English speaker (especially since your English is still better than my best attempt at any other language) but that post is pretty much unreadable.

In response to the title, it is ASB.
 
A possible and interesting POD is Nader getting 5% in the 2000 Election, as the Democrats grant concessions as they have lost the Presidency and the House the Greens could possibly kick start a youthful New Left that opposed Orthodox American Thinking and the Two Party System.
 
Only way I could see this happen with OTL Nader is if he does better in 2000 and Gore somehow manages to win. If the Republican wins, Nader will be blamed, regardless of how accurate that charge really is.

Gore wins, and dies on the equivalent of 9/11. President Lieberman, expending his vast political capital, invades Afghanistan and Iraq. Republicans are critical of the conduct of the wars but are by and large supportive of them. The Republican anti war faction is slightly bigger here, but the thinking of both parties is largely supportive of decisive action being taken against America's enemies.

Lieberman is able to fend off a surprisingly strong anti war challenge from Ohio rep. Dennis Kucinich and wins the 2004 nomination. Kucinich refuses to endorse Lieberman, and he and his supporters leave the party. He is reelected to his seat as a Green, becoming the first third party candidate elected to congress in some time. Lieberman goes on to defeat the Republican and Nader, who stays with the Greens given his better success in 2000. The Greens actually crack 5%, gaining them federal funding for the 2008 election. Kucinich remains their sole representative, but several Democrats in liberal areas are defeated in primaries for their support of the wars. The new Democrats refuse to support Lieberman in just about anything he does.

2006 is a bad year for Democrats, and Republicans pick up many seats. Lieberman's' approval ratings sink drastically, and when he invades Iran, protests not seen since the Vietnam war arise in many cities. In 2008, Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton and General Wesley Clark. Republicans nominate Senator Rick Santorum and John Bolton(or someone equally hawkish)With the Republicans strongly in support of finishing the job and Democrats lukewarm and not giving an exit date for troops to come home, The Greens see an opening. In a huge convention in Madison Square Garden, they nominate Ralph Nader, still very much the face of the party, and Rep. Kucinich.

It's a tough three way race, but the chain of president Lieberman drags the Democrats down, and Ralph Nader is narrowly elected the 45th president.
 
Gore wins in 2000

Gore dies, if poss after Jan 20 2003, Lieberman starts wars which are deeply unpolular. Republcians seem to be an echo, and anti war candidate seems worth votingfor, especially in the economic chaos there was in 2008
 
Only way I could see this happen with OTL Nader is if he does better in 2000 and Gore somehow manages to win. If the Republican wins, Nader will be blamed, regardless of how accurate that charge really is.

Gore wins, and dies on the equivalent of 9/11. President Lieberman, expending his vast political capital, invades Afghanistan and Iraq. Republicans are critical of the conduct of the wars but are by and large supportive of them. The Republican anti war faction is slightly bigger here, but the thinking of both parties is largely supportive of decisive action being taken against America's enemies.

Lieberman is able to fend off a surprisingly strong anti war challenge from Ohio rep. Dennis Kucinich and wins the 2004 nomination. Kucinich refuses to endorse Lieberman, and he and his supporters leave the party. He is reelected to his seat as a Green, becoming the first third party candidate elected to congress in some time. Lieberman goes on to defeat the Republican and Nader, who stays with the Greens given his better success in 2000. The Greens actually crack 5%, gaining them federal funding for the 2008 election. Kucinich remains their sole representative, but several Democrats in liberal areas are defeated in primaries for their support of the wars. The new Democrats refuse to support Lieberman in just about anything he does.

2006 is a bad year for Democrats, and Republicans pick up many seats. Lieberman's' approval ratings sink drastically, and when he invades Iran, protests not seen since the Vietnam war arise in many cities. In 2008, Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton and General Wesley Clark. Republicans nominate Senator Rick Santorum and John Bolton(or someone equally hawkish)With the Republicans strongly in support of finishing the job and Democrats lukewarm and not giving an exit date for troops to come home, The Greens see an opening. In a huge convention in Madison Square Garden, they nominate Ralph Nader, still very much the face of the party, and Rep. Kucinich.

It's a tough three way race, but the chain of president Lieberman drags the Democrats down, and Ralph Nader is narrowly elected the 45th president.

Gore wins in 2000

Gore dies, if poss after Jan 20 2003, Lieberman starts wars which are deeply unpolular. Republcians seem to be an echo, and anti war candidate seems worth votingfor, especially in the economic chaos there was in 2008



Why would Gore have to die? You don't think Gore would attack Afghanistan after 9/11?
 
Personally, I can't see Nader in '08, because he'd be over 70. But you can get him to the Presidency.

First, have Nader run for Congress in CT-1 in 1982. He wins the special election as a Democrat. This means that he avoids the fact that he was unsuccessful as a public advocate in the Reagan years. In 1988, Dukakis keeps John Sasso and wins the Presidential election. Nader, running for Senate, defeats DINO Lieberman in the Democratic primary by running from the left, and then beats Lowell Weicker in the general election by about a percentage point. In the Senate, Nader works to get the Dukakis administration to pass consumer safety and environmental regulation. Dukakis is a centrist technocrat as President, and loses re-election to Bob Dole. Nader takes strong opposition to Dole and becomes a leader among the left of the Democratic Party, which unites around him in 1996 when he runs for President. This carries him through the primaries over Clinton. Then he narrowly defeats the unpopular Dole.
 
Why would Gore have to die? You don't think Gore would attack Afghanistan after 9/11?

I think he would, but Lieberman is far more hawkish then him. To make a Nader victory even the least bit plausible, there needs to be strong anti war sentiment that's not being addressed by either party. Gore going into Afghanistan won't cause that, and it's highly unlikely he'd go into Iraq. Plus, the death of a president in a terrorist attack would ensure that Lieberman probably is given a blank cheque to attack anyone that's even suspected of being involved. After seven years of this, and with the possibility of the draft being reinstated seriously being considered, I think voters would seriously consider an untainted Nader. I don't think it's likely. I Imagine Republicans in this scenario would at least voice more dovish rhetoric. The choice of the hawkish Santorum eliminates that though, so the 65% of Americans who are anti war in this timeline can either chose the hawkish Republicans, the brand damaged and wishy washy Democrats, or the strongly anti war Greens.
 
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Jason222

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If Gore won the election in 2004 and anti war movement get total new level it Nader he could road and anti war movement and green party as well. He might have won that election. Combine Republic candidate everyone hated.
 
It would take near divine intervention for Nader to win anything. If a 3rd party ever wins the presidency it won't be done by Nader. Ross Perot might have had a shot given the right circumstances. A long shot, mind you, but a better one than Nader and I am no fan of Perot.
 
Nader really wouldn't win anything on the national level unless he were to reject his hatred of the two-party system and join the Democrats.
 
If he won (just how big of an if is another story), he would face even more gridlock than Obama, since not only would the Republican platform obstruct him, but the conservative Democrats might too.
 

birdboy2000

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No one is winning the presidency on a Green Party ticket. And Ralph Nader is not winning a democratic primary after costing Gore the election in 2000.

I think his least unlikely path to the presidency is him mounting a primary challenge to Gore in '00 and making a name for himself in politics. Gore, in a gesture of party unification, tabs him for the vice presidency. He's a one-termer. Repubs take back the presidency in '04 - parties tend not to last longer than twelve years in power - but the financial crash hits their candidate badly, and Nader makes a comeback.

It's still unlikely - Nader's an activist who's never held elected office, and Gore naming him vice president is a stretch given that lack of experience. Bill Bradley wasn't able to put up much of a challenge to Gore OTL, either. Perhaps an even earlier POD is needed, to get Nader into the senate for a few years first.
 

Jason222

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I get way that Nader could won not requiring God let say Sept 11 never happen or FBI stop hijacker in tracks. Bush still all likelihood gone Iraq maybe even Iran. Of course Democratic say we can just withdraw Iraq and Iran and Republican say we must stay their job done USA took heavy loses include few hundred thousand soldiers try invade Iran include sinking few aircraft carries.
 
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