What if President Grant was assassinated early on in his second term by the KKK?

[PGSBHurricane]

It was at least for political rights fairly quick in a few New England states. Though there are reasons beyond kindness in their hearts. I lived in Vermont a year and remember seeing at times maybe one non-white in rather large towns. The political impact from giving the handful of former slaves political rights were non-existent in such areas.

Even in New England, some states were more advanced than others when it came to racial equality. Connecticut, for instance, had slavery on its books until 1848 and after the Civil War, white voters rejected extending enfranchisement to African Americans (along with Kansas, Michigan, New York, Ohio, and Wisconsin). It was referred to as the Georgia of the North by William Lloyd Garrison due to intense racism in Connecticut. Even in New York (while technically not a New England state does neighbor New England and New Englanders settled the upstate part) blacks could only vote if they had $250 in freehold property and that was something that applied to only nonwhites.

 

[Aluma]

Can you name *any* place (except where there was a total physical separation eg Haiti or the Exodus) where any people went straight from chattel slavery to equality with their former masters? afaik it just doesn't seem to happen.

Indeed
And this applies to Brazil as well, which both he and me are from, so really not a good reasoning period

 

[Dagoth Ur]

Even in New England, some states were more advanced than others when it came to racial equality. Connecticut, for instance, had slavery on its books until 1848 and after the Civil War, white voters rejected extending enfranchisement to African Americans (along with Kansas, Michigan, New York, Ohio, and Wisconsin). It was referred to as the Georgia of the North by William Lloyd Garrison due to intense racism in Connecticut. Even in New York (while technically not a New England state does neighbor New England and New Englanders settled the upstate part) blacks could only vote if they had $250 in freehold property and that was something that applied to only nonwhites.

Also traveling with enslaved persons was legal in those states (all the northern states, to my knowledge). This was the basis of Dred Scott, the dude was a slave and traveled and lived with his master for multiple consecutive years in "free" states and territories. It's not like northerners really cared about non-whites, they just generally found slavery to be negative and secession especially abhorrent. The civil war was caused by slavery, no doubt, but the main ideological driving force of northerners was keeping the union together, not ending slavery. Thinking they'd fall over each other to instigate a guerrilla war in the south over reconstruction is unrealistic.

 

[jmc247]

Even in New England, some states were more advanced than others when it came to racial equality. Connecticut, for instance, had slavery on its books until 1848 and after the Civil War, white voters rejected extending enfranchisement to African Americans (along with Kansas, Michigan, New York, Ohio, and Wisconsin). It was referred to as the Georgia of the North by William Lloyd Garrison due to intense racism in Connecticut. Even in New York (while technically not a New England state does neighbor New England and New Englanders settled the upstate part) blacks could only vote if they had $250 in freehold property and that was something that applied to only nonwhites.

States also had wide variations in views on the franchise within their own borders. The idea of the black franchise in Virginia was more accepted in the Shenandoah then the Tidewater by a good margin.

The Shenandoah had a rather large concentration of freedmen before the war. They either enlisted or were conscripted into the ANV. After the war some, but certainly not all of them entered the middle class and were made examples of by their towns as ‘they can be good democrats too’.

Most of these timelines for how perhaps race relations could have moved forward faster imply a much harder and more brutal occupation was the solution when I have always found you needed more trust not less.