What if Britain, France and Austria got their way and Poland stayed independent in 1815? How would this affect events such as the Crimean war, Italian and German wars of unification and the German-French war of 1870?
Poland already got the best deal it could realistically get, becoming an autonomous state with it's own constitution, just the problems is that the Russians didn't care about it's existence much.
I think we should first find a way to have Russia honor the OTL deal on Congress Poland and only then move on to independence.
Yes, but even before the uprisings, the Tsar blatantly disregarded the constitution of Congress Poland, most notably by appointing Grand Duke Constantine as the ruler of the region, despite the constitution saying that Poland and Russia are united in a personal union and it thus should be ruled directly by the Tsar.Didn't Poland begin lost its autonomy due several revolts?
Eh I figure the November uprising just hastened the inevitable.De iure Kingdom of Poland was independent state in personal union with Russia until idiotic November Uprising.
De iure Kingdom of Poland was independent state in personal union with Russia until idiotic November Uprising.
I thought Britain, France and Austria wanted an independent Poland and wanted to resist Russian annexation of Poland, even by war.
There were no Russian landlords in Congress Poland. And the fact that most of would-be Poles (peasants at the time don't have national identity yet) are serfs is irrelevant-the same could be said about Russia.De facto, Poland was a russian colony and the majority of poles were serves for polish or russian noble landlords.
So for them, de jure independance was a sad joke.
What about as a smaller buffer state between Russia and the German states?There were no Russian landlords in Congress Poland. And the fact that most of would-be Poles (peasants at the time don't have national identity yet) are serfs is irrelevant-the same could be said about Russia.
Britain, France and Austria would be interested in full Polish independence only if restored Poland is strong enough to serve as counterbalance to Russia (that's mean more or less 1772 borders) and it is possible only if Russia is screwed.
Yeah, but that was de jure independence that didn't mean anything. It pretty much was a part of the Russian Empire in all but name.Poland became independent in 1815 during the Vienna Congress.
Not exactly, just like post ww2 Poland was not part of Soviet Union. It was far from full independence but better than nothing. And without November Uprising Russo-Prussian relations would be worse than OTL. It is likely that instead of uprising there will be war with Prussia around the time of Spring of Nations or alternate Crimean War.Yeah, but that was de jure independence that didn't mean anything. It pretty much was a part of the Russian Empire in all but name.
So no chance for an independent Poland in 1815? How about later in the 19th century?