What if Pol Pot didnt invaded Vietnam?

The impression that I get from reading about the invasion (and, tbh, the definitive book on it has not yet been written), the Vietnamese didn't have much of a clue of how far the Pol Pot regime had taken things. Footage of the PAVN liberating Phnom Penh, rounding up child soldiers, etc... pretty chilling stuff and definitely brings to mind the liberation of Nazi concentration camps. Obviously, in the same vein as the Soviets, the Vietnamese were brutal and repressive towards their own people as well, especially in the wake of absorbing the former South Vietnam. Still, many soldiers were absolutely shocked by what they saw in Cambodia.

And, of course, the Vietnamese were mostly interested in setting up another Marxist-Leninist puppet state, loyal and beholden to them.
It's frequently difficult for sane people to accept and comprehend the actions of fanatics, especially so far outside normal experience.
 
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An unnamed rock band from the documentary “Don't Think I’ve Forgotten: Cambodia’s Lost Rock and Roll.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/movies/article/Don-t-Think-I-ve-Forgotten-Cambodia-s-6247656.php

An example of some of the many things, as well as persons, who may have been lost during the genocide.
 
The Khmer Rouge regime was a close Chinese ally, so China and Thailand viewed the Vietnamese occupation of Cambodia as an expansion of Vietnamese influence in Southeast Asia. China actually trained Khmer Rouge troops on its soil in the late '70s and early '80s.
When do you think Chinese officialdom might eventually acknowledge this?

For example, in 40 years, that is in 2058, maybe there’s a 50% that high school textbooks (or modern equivalents) acknowledge that the Khmer Rouge was an ally of China, even as they downplay direct Chinese culpability in the Cambodian genocide.
 
When do you think Chinese officialdom might eventually acknowledge this?

For example, in 40 years, that is in 2058, maybe there’s a 50% that high school textbooks (or modern equivalents) acknowledge that the Khmer Rouge was an ally of China, even as they downplay direct Chinese culpability in the Cambodian genocide.
I doubt contemporary Chinese history books would show any guilt or culpability for that, mainland China gives no importance to the idea of human rights. Chinese historians might recognize what happened, but they'll just brush it off as inconsequential in the big scheme of things. The mainland's intellectual consensus views Mao as "70% good, 30% bad" because he unified China and ended the chaos and foreign intrusion of the previous century or so. The deaths in the Great Famine and the Cultural revolution are downplayed or overlook as just minor mistakes.

If the party's textbooks are willing to downplay or overlook the famine deaths of 20 million Han Chinese, I doubt they would even mention the deaths of 2 million non-Chinese.
 
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. . . The Nazi regime killed about ten-and-a-half million people and perhaps as many as seventeen million. The groups systematically murdered included Jews, homosexuals, Slavs, political opponents, Esperanto speakers, Roma and various religious groups. . .
The part about Esperanto speakers makes sense from a twisted perspective. The Nazis would figure they were progressive and/or internationally-minded persons, likely to become activists. In point of fact, most people in general do not become activists, just as a baseline.

If you have a reference at your fingertips about the Esperanto speakers, I'd be interested. If not, don't worry about it, not a big deal.
 
That would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that the international community didn't berated Vietnam for a continued occupation, but they did it immediately after it or while it was toppling the Khmer Rouge regime.

Going by the wiki article, from what I remember, Vietnam tried to rebuild and de-occupy Cambodia almost immediately, but they were forced to stay because the KR had pretty much killed everyone skilled, . . .
You may well be right. I'm not sure how soon the international community became anti-Vietnam. I do know that institutions are happy to enforce the rules against minor players to prove the importance of the rules, and much less happy to do so in messy situations against important players.

Please take Wikipedia with a grain of salt.

I've been an off-again, on-again editor for 12 years and have observed first-hand that many of my fellow Wikipedians are much more passionate about formal language and sounding like an encyclopedia, than they are about the accuracy of the information. This is a serious charge, and I make it in all seriousness.

And actually, the defining characteristic of an encyclopedia should be breadth of coverage, with accuracy pretty much as a given.

So, I encourage people, take what I call the Wiki test. Pick a topic you already know a lot about and see how the Wikipedia article does. In particular, see if it has any glaring omissions.
 
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Stabbed in the back by his comrades. This is overlooked. Pol Pot continuing is IMPOSSIBLE imo. Even if no one got stabbed him in the back, which given the KR nature is most likely, thai or vietnam would invade anyway under pre text of liberation to further strategy gains. Pol pot survival is overlooked because its not possible imo. Just my opinion.
 
. . . The mainland's intellectual consensus views Mao as "70% good, 30% bad" . . . If the party's textbooks are willing to downplay or overlook the famine deaths of 20 million Han Chinese, . . .
Sometimes things change.

For example, as a society becomes richer and almost all children make it to adulthood, people become less willing to accept the easy justifications for large-scale killing. At least I hope so! And in many cases, I think that does bear out.
 

youtube: rice transplantation, Cambodian farmers' life
posted in 2016

This gives a little taste of rice farming. Toward the beginning, two men are shown smoking, what I'm guessing is maybe opium. I never want to put myself in a position where I have to claim that people are perfect! :p
 
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Stabbed in the back by his comrades. This is overlooked. Pol Pot continuing is IMPOSSIBLE imo. Even if no one got stabbed him in the back, which given the KR nature is most likely, thai or vietnam would invade anyway under pre text of liberation to further strategy gains. Pol pot survival is overlooked because its not possible imo. Just my opinion.

Pretty much. The whole of the KR was insane, and Pol Pot himself would find a knife in his back sooner, or later while the nation collapses on itself.
 
The part about Esperanto speakers makes sense from a twisted perspective. The Nazis would figure they were progressive and/or internationally-minded persons, likely to become activists. In point of fact, most people in general do not become activists, just as a baseline.
Esperanto was denounced by both Hitler and Stalin. The latter describing it as "the language of spies" and ordering various repressions, the banning of it's use or teaching, suppression of the (formerly recognised) Soviet Esperanto Association and the internal exile of activists and speakers. Generally speaking Esperanto wasn't alone sufficient for execution, but it was highly suspicious. At least until 1941 when Stalin ordered a more intense crackdown, with numerous executions as well as exile.

Hitler mentioned Esperanto in Mein Kampf describing it as a language intended to unite "International Jewry" and aid in their enslavement of non-Jews.
As long as the Jew has not become the master of the other peoples, he must, whether he likes it or not, speak their languages, and only if they would be his slaves then they might all speak a universal language so that their domination will be made easier (Esperanto!).

Historically the French also disliked Esperanto, frustrating the efforts to have it used by the League of Nations.
Though in a universe a few points to peppermint where they lose the Great War it becomes of of the principal languages of the LoN equivalent, gradually becomes the second language of Europe and spawns numerous conspiracy theories.
In general Nazis regarded Esperanto speakers as enemies of the state because they were a movement founded by a Jew and also because they believed in an international confederation of people and races, which was diametrically opposed to what the National Socialists believed in. And so when Hitler came to power, Esperantists were some of the first people who were rounded up and killed.
Other Nazis described Esperanto as "a danger to, in fact a mortal enemy of, all forms of völkisch development" and the movement as "led by Jews and their lackeys" or
[Esperanto] is bastard language, lacking roots in the life of the people and lacking any kind of literature arising from that life, is in fact acquiring that position in the world assigned to it by a Zionist plan aimed at exterminating patriotism among the future slave workers of Zion

In early April 1933 police invaded the headquarters of GLEA [the Communist, Workers’ Esperanto Association] in Berlin and confiscated all its property. AT the same time internal Gestapo papers called Esperanto "a secret communist language".
On 26 June 1935 Reinhard Heydrichdrew the attention of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the fact that "recently the Esperanto movement has been engaged in very lively activity". As an example he mentioned that, among 36 people arrested in March 1935 in Düsseldorf for treason against the state, no less than 29 were Esperantists.
In November 1935 another internal Gestapo report (from Potsdam" stated that "it seems extraordinarily odd that inGermany the publication of journals in Esperanto, that deceitful Jewishlanguage, is still allowed, as is the case in Cologne".

If you have a reference at your fingertips about the Esperanto speakers, I'd be interested. If not, don't worry about it, not a big deal.
With regard to Hitler? The best is Lins's Dangerous Language — Esperanto under Hitler and Stalin.


Two pieces of Esperanto trivia.
1. The famous (well not really) green star became the symbol of Esperanto because they featured on the covers of the first edition of the Fundamento. This was because the printer had large stocks of the covers left over.
2. In The Great Dictator the Ghettos feature signs in Esperanto
 
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