What if Pewdiepie never Existed?

Would Smosh be the largest subscribed channel to this day?

  • Yes they'd not have any compitition

  • Nope they'd soon be overtaken by a new competitor like Vanossgaming


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So I haven't seen many Alternate histories on Youtube subjects, and one I really wanted to speculate, is the effects on the youtube platform, and social media if Pewdiepie never came onto youtube. I'm gonna be posting a few more threads on alternate youtube scenarios, but I thought this would be a good first start. A few things to talk about would be

Smosh future without Pewdiepie

Fate of Jacksepticeye, Markiplier, and Gaming on Youtube

So what would be the effects in a world without Pewdiepie?

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someone will fill in the void regardless. Even if its not exactly that exact same format, someone will fill in that niche/desire (whether it be Jacksepticeye, markiplier or most likely, someone else). Smosh would still probably fall behind whoever is the golden standard.

I think you see it with certain channels already (people will move on from channels and find replacements, same way if a tv show ends, you'll feel sad initially but life does move on). Therefore, without Pewdiepie, someone probably still takes over and pushes themselves into the 30's and maybe 40's of millions cause that's where the demand clearly was/is.

I also think without the Pewdiepie controversy, it may mean that certain aspects of the adpocalypse may be delayed (if lets say, there is a better brand ambassador to youtube), It will happen sooner rather than later though.
 
someone will fill in the void regardless. Even if its not exactly that exact same format, someone will fill in that niche/desire (whether it be Jacksepticeye, markiplier or most likely, someone else). Smosh would still probably fall behind whoever is the golden standard.

I think you see it with certain channels already (people will move on from channels and find replacements, same way if a tv show ends, you'll feel sad initially but life does move on). Therefore, without Pewdiepie, someone probably still takes over and pushes themselves into the 30's and maybe 40's of millions cause that's where the demand clearly was/is.

I also think without the Pewdiepie controversy, it may mean that certain aspects of the adpocalypse may be delayed (if lets say, there is a better brand ambassador to youtube), It will happen sooner rather than later though.

Goddamn, I think these Youtube PODS are really cool. It's nice to see Youtube viewers having cool discussions about alternate Youtube actions. Yeah without Pewdiepie, the Apocalypse would probably not happen. If there was a Youtuber to fill in the void of Gaming, I think Vanoss Would be the one to fill in that void. The Circle of Vanoss, with Wildcat, Basically, Panda, or Terroriser is prime for Vanoss to succeed. I'd say without Pewdiepie, in 2018, he may reach 40 million subscribers.
 
Goddamn, I think these Youtube PODS are really cool. It's nice to see Youtube viewers having cool discussions about alternate Youtube actions. Yeah without Pewdiepie, the Apocalypse would probably not happen. If there was a Youtuber to fill in the void of Gaming, I think Vanoss Would be the one to fill in that void. The Circle of Vanoss, with Wildcat, Basically, Panda, or Terroriser is prime for Vanoss to succeed. I'd say without Pewdiepie, in 2018, he may reach 40 million subscribers.

Vanoss i could see becoming rather big also, he could also be one of the guys taking over. I do think he would need to broaden his horizons a bit aside from COD, Gary's mod and GTA a little bit if he were to get over the 30 mill mark though. I do think Pewdiepie's wide range of stuff has helped him get popular (for better or worse, he is on the ball with topical stuff, memes as well as the random games).

If i where to take a wild guess, i'm going to have to say markiplier given that its kind of similar in terms of the type of channels that they are (even the games they play are rather similar from what i can gather).

Or i could be even more wrong and it could be someone like KSI who takes over (and with current KSI, that would hurt my soul).
 
Vanoss i could see becoming rather big also, he could also be one of the guys taking over. I do think he would need to broaden his horizons a bit aside from COD, Gary's mod and GTA a little bit if he were to get over the 30 mill mark though. I do think Pewdiepie's wide range of stuff has helped him get popular (for better or worse, he is on the ball with topical stuff, memes as well as the random games).

If i where to take a wild guess, i'm going to have to say markiplier given that its kind of similar in terms of the type of channels that they are (even the games they play are rather similar from what i can gather).

Or i could be even more wrong and it could be someone like KSI who takes over (and with current KSI, that would hurt my soul).

Vanoss seems to have the highest chance. Markiplier may still be a large youtube power but without help from Jacksepticeye, or Pewdiepie, his take off is gonna be a lot harder, especially with Vanoss with an already large power.

KSI is a good point. I'd say he's probably going to become larger as well, and it would be good for the Sidemen members, and there might not be that conflict from them, as the Sidemen would probably have more power, and relevant.

What is interesting, is what it would have on the Viner invasion. Along with Jake, and Logan Paul.
 
Vanoss seems to have the highest chance. Markiplier may still be a large youtube power but without help from Jacksepticeye, or Pewdiepie, his take off is gonna be a lot harder, especially with Vanoss with an already large power.

KSI is a good point. I'd say he's probably going to become larger as well, and it would be good for the Sidemen members, and there might not be that conflict from them, as the Sidemen would probably have more power, and relevant.

What is interesting, is what it would have on the Viner invasion. Along with Jake, and Logan Paul.

Vanoss could easily but i think he is somewhat limited also with his content to be as big as pewdiepie, like i said, could see him still getting to around 30-35 mill.

the conflict was created for them to get publicity (and it worked) if they're already at the top (which is very possible they could) there would be no need.

As for the viner invasion, i don't think they take over, guessing same as otl, they do stupid things and grow and get into trouble.
 
Vanoss could easily but i think he is somewhat limited also with his content to be as big as pewdiepie, like i said, could see him still getting to around 30-35 mill.

the conflict was created for them to get publicity (and it worked) if they're already at the top (which is very possible they could) there would be no need.

As for the viner invasion, i don't think they take over, guessing same as otl, they do stupid things and grow and get into trouble.

I think he would have to go through reforms after his subscriber growth stagnates, and he'd start branching out in content.

I did see the KSI video where he said he genuinely hated the Sidemen, but it might be fake.

I think without Pewdiepie, the Viner invasion would have a higher effect, especially since vanoss isn't gonna partake in Youtube Drama, without Pewdiepie to call them out, they may be more effective.

The Adpocalypse not happening would also have drastic effects as well.
 
Smosh future without Pewdiepie
Same as OTL, to be fair. The problem with acting and comedy shows on YouTube, including Smosh, is that they just aren't on the YouTube algorithm curve like many-videos-per-week gaming channels are.

They also fulfill completely different niches than Pewdiepie, so it's not like they'd benefit from it.

Fate of Jacksepticeye, Markiplier, and Gaming on Youtube
I don't know if Pewdiepie was the first, but as far as I remember, he was the one who popularized the idea that a gaming channel should not be focused on one game and instead cover as many various games as possible - the same strategy that Markiplier and others followed on. Without Pewdiepie making that breakthrough... maybe someone else does it, but even then, it leads to plenty of butterflies and I am no YouTube history expert to tell what they would be.

So what would be the effects in a world without Pewdiepie?
MatPat would have far less to talk about. :p
 
Same as OTL, to be fair. The problem with acting and comedy shows on YouTube, including Smosh, is that they just aren't on the YouTube algorithm curve like many-videos-per-week gaming channels are.

They also fulfill completely different niches than Pewdiepie, so it's not like they'd benefit from it.


I don't know if Pewdiepie was the first, but as far as I remember, he was the one who popularized the idea that a gaming channel should not be focused on one game and instead cover as many various games as possible - the same strategy that Markiplier and others followed on. Without Pewdiepie making that breakthrough... maybe someone else does it, but even then, it leads to plenty of butterflies and I am no YouTube history expert to tell what they would be.


MatPat would have far less to talk about. :p


I was thinking Smosh would benefit indirectly, as they'd gobble up more Children in their sub count, and would stay Number #1, maybe as far as 2015.

Vanoss, or KSI might be the one to do it.

Hahahaha Matpat.
 
I think he would have to go through reforms after his subscriber growth stagnates, and he'd start branching out in content.

I did see the KSI video where he said he genuinely hated the Sidemen, but it might be fake.

I think without Pewdiepie, the Viner invasion would have a higher effect, especially since vanoss isn't gonna partake in Youtube Drama, without Pewdiepie to call them out, they may be more effective.

The Adpocalypse not happening would also have drastic effects as well.

if Vanoss maybe, but you would have every other youtuber calling them out all the same (h3h3, idubbbz, various commentary channels, maybe even ksi for all we know).

Adpocalypse will happen one way or another, someone will say something stupid with mainstream media will catch onto, leading to Wojcicki and youtube freaking out and rushing the demonitisation scheme out.
 
if Vanoss maybe, but you would have every other youtuber calling them out all the same (h3h3, idubbbz, various commentary channels, maybe even ksi for all we know).

Adpocalypse will happen one way or another, someone will say something stupid with mainstream media will catch onto, leading to Wojcicki and youtube freaking out and rushing the demonitisation scheme out.

Vanoss doesn't really get invovled with drama, but when they see the largest channel on youtube doing this repetitive content, his subscribers might be wanting Vanoss to undergo a Meiji Period.

Apocalypse will still happen, but what Pewdiepie was a huge whip in the back to youtube, I don't think it could get as bad as it did.
 
Vanoss doesn't really get invovled with drama, but when they see the largest channel on youtube doing this repetitive content, his subscribers might be wanting Vanoss to undergo a Meiji Period.

Apocalypse will still happen, but what Pewdiepie was a huge whip in the back to youtube, I don't think it could get as bad as it did.

Depends who is on top, if you get a controversial figure like KSI, then the mental health comments could do it.

Vanoss wouldn't get involved i feel. I think other youtubers will who are still big enough that would call them out (Markiplier, Jackscepticeye, ksi). It may not have the impact but all the commentary channels would still have an effect. Honestly i'm not even sure what Pewdiepie's effect on them is.
 
Depends who is on top, if you get a controversial figure like KSI, then the mental health comments could do it.

Vanoss wouldn't get involved i feel. I think other youtubers will who are still big enough that would call them out (Markiplier, Jackscepticeye, ksi). It may not have the impact but all the commentary channels would still have an effect. Honestly i'm not even sure what Pewdiepie's effect on them is.

True, KSI might be in more trouble, but he seems more PG than Pewdiepie.

Commentary Channels without Pewdiepie drama would probably be more lackluster without drama to leech off of.
 
I was thinking Smosh would benefit indirectly, as they'd gobble up more Children in their sub count, and would stay Number #1, maybe as far as 2015.
YouTube is not a competition where people can only subscribe to one channel. Kids who like Smosh are subscribed to Smosh in OTL even if they also watch Pewdiepie.
 
Youtube-related WI's have been created at a rapid pace recently. Perhaps they should be collated into a single thread?

Also, I think a topic like this should belong to Fandom AH, or even Media and Fandom. Youtube's too small and too recent a part of post-1900 popular culture for any meaningful divergences to occur to a 21st century timeline by changing any one of its aspects.
 
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